guest post by Todd Lappin (Telstar Logistics)
yellow loveseat photo by Todd Lappin/Telstar Logistics
photo of Nigerian strongman General Ibrahim Babangida, shown in 1986, via Getty Images
Last week I posted an ad to Craigslist offering our yellow loveseat for sale for $200. A gentleman wrote to say that he was interested, but that he couldn’t come see it because he’s busy with work. Instead, he proposed mailing his payment, and then having movers come later to pick up the loveseat. Odd, but not unheard-of, I supposed. Yet as the transaction has unfolded, it now seems pretty clear that that this “buyer” is really trying to pull a Craigslist version of the Nigerian dictator/advance-fee fraud.
The tone of his messages seemed strange from the get-go, but the note I received last night brought things into focus. Here’s the key portion of his very long and convoluted email:
There was a misinterpretation while sending the payment. According to the instruction i gave my secretary,he was suppose to send your payment and another payment to the mover who will pick up the item.But in the process he made a mistake by sending along the mover’s fund with yours.making a total of $2,950 USD.
He claimed i said he should send the mover’s payment together with yours. But I’m sure i told him to send just your payment and another payment for the mover,but i guess he miss understood me.It’s was an awful mistake and the payment had already been posted to you, that should not disturb our transaction.i suggest we find a solution to awful mistake by cashing the payment from the bank and deduct your own money …($200).then forward the extra money directly to my mover in cash via MONEY GRAM MONEY TRANSFER.Please i am very sorry for this inconvenience I’m giving you,you can deduct an extra $100 dollars for all the stress i might have put you through in this transaction. please the remaining money to the mover in cash via money gram money transfer as soon as you get the payment,so as to come for the pick up of the item immediately.
Apart from the fact that he said he was sending a check that was $2700 above the value of the loveseat, the Moneygram part was the dead giveaway. The Wikipedia’s entry on the advance-fee fraud explains:
Scammers often request that payments be made using a wire transfer service like Western Union and Moneygram. The reason given by the scammer will usually relate to the speed at which the payment can be received and processed, allowing quick release of the supposed payoff. The real reason is that wire transfers and similar methods of payment are irreversible, untraceable and, because identification beyond knowledge of the details of the transaction is often not required, completely anonymous.
I won’t disclose the name or email address of this individual here, since I don’t have definitive proof that he is a fraudster. I will say, however, that he’s been using a Gmail account.
Mainly, the important thing to note is that this is happening at all. Turns out, there’s more than one way to solicit help for Nigerian dictators, and Craigslist “purchasers” may be one of them. Sellers beware!
Oh, and if you want a nice yellow loveseat for $200, it’s still available. Face-to-face transactions preferred.
UPDATE: To be clear, the essence of this scam is that the check the scammer will send is a counterfeit. The scam is based on the assumption that I will cash the $2950 check, then refund the $2750 difference to the scammer via Moneygram *before* my bank identifies his check as a fake. In a few weeks, the bank would deduct the $2950 from my account balance after the check was deemed invalid, but the $2750 I sent to the scammer via the Moneygram would be gone forever. As it happens, his fake check just arrived, and here’s what it looks like:
photo by Todd Lappin/Telstar Logistics
Based on what I’ve read, the check is probably drawn from a real account, but the check itself is no doubt a fake. For that reason, I’ve blurred the account numbers in the image. And of course, I have no intention of cashing this check. Quite the contrary…
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Will accept moneygram? HAHA
Maybe I’m not following the scam. He was sending you extra money to send along? How was he going to end up getting paid?
I don’t get it. Did the check for $2950 not clear?
So my coworker got the exact same letter when he tried to sell his bedframe a month ago. The money order (Summit Bank) was for the exact same amount and it is for: h.betti industries inc.
Jay Goldman, eb: yeah, the expectation is that the check will not clear or will be fraudulent, but my that time the scammer will have their “refund” and be ong gone. I think this is a “payment processor” type scam, not an “advance fee”/Nigerian type scam.
The scam is that it’s not a real check/money order. It’s a forgery that looks real and your bank may even think is real, but 2 weeks later you find out it’s a forgery and that you’ve forwarded your very real money to the con artist.
Also, here’s an interesting story about a local kid that got hit with the very same scam, suspected something was up, went to his bank to confirm that the MO was real and made the mistake of signing the MO and BANK OF AMERICA CALLED THE COPS AND HAD HIM ARRESTED.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/30/BUGTGKRHSF1.DTL
Gee, Thanks Bank of America.
The details in his note are (no doubt intentionally) confusing, but basically: He said that he’d sent the money, but his secretary made a mistake and sent too much money to us. So, could we please cash the check, and return the difference.
I haven’t gotten check yet, and when/if I do I’ll turn if over the law for safekeeping.
@Scott, thanks for the heads-up, it’ll be fun to see if the bank and issuer matches your coworker’s experience.
Oh please post details! This is definitely a scam– couldn’t be clearer. Sounds like you’ve taken the bait, but turnaround is fair play in this case– would be fun to waste more of the scammer’s time, a la Kaspar Hauser…
Clearly he doesn’t read Laughing Squid. Just got another email:
Hello,
How are you doing? kindly give me an update concerning the check that i said is mailed out to you already if you receive it today, so that i can send you my mover’s info to send the remaining money to via money gram money transfer.thanks and God bless.
I have one of those Cashier’s Checks.
The man wanted to buy my eliptical machine and sent me the check for a couple thousand dollars more.
I wrote back and told him to redeem his check and my machine for cash only. The check came Fed Ex!
Needless to say, no-one came for either.
FYI – This scam is like cancer on Craigslist, not just in the for sale section but also in the jobs section. The fact that it’s still going strong means there must be some return on the scammer’s investment, which bothers me.
I get hit with this scam at least twice a week while trying to find work in the office admin /office jobs or video / video intern jobs sections.
Please pass on so people are aware –
***
Unfortunately, this position is no longer available, however we have
available another one great to have second income, Newspaper Ads
Poster.
The position is very easy and can be done by anyone without the
necessity to leave your current job. If you ever placed an ad in one
newspaper, is that easy.
Job Description: In this Newspaper Ads Poster position you must place
classified ads in US/Canada newspapers and magazines, such as sales
ads, employment ads or real estate ads. You will spend max. 2-4 hours
weekly. You do NOT need special skills or degrees.
All you have to do is place the ads from home, calling newspapers at
toll free numbers or online, of course after you receive the content
that must be posted from us and the money needed.
No special requirements:
- Computer with e-mail or access to a computer to check your email daily
- Important: Minimum age of 20
- 2-3 hours free during the week (mainly in the evening/non-business
hours) for communication;
Absolutely NO money to invest/memberships to pay. If you are
interested, simply reply to this email.
Every week you will post 4-10 ads, for every ad listed you are paid
same day with $100 commission, no need to wait for paychecks.
What this position entails: You will post classified ads, such as sales ads, employment ads or real estate ads in your local newspapers and magazines. Our company is located in Germany and prices for newspaper ads are almost double for foreign citizens/companies, this is the main reason we need your services in the US for the specified position, Newspaper Advertiser. You must spend max. 2-4 hours weekly, in your spare time. You do NOT need special skills or degrees. The position is very easy and can be done by anyone without the necessity to leave current job! It’s as easy as placing an ad in a newspaper.
This work does not require any money out-of-pocket from you. We will provide the money to post in newspapers. Once you have received the money and the ad content necessary for the postings from us, all you have to do is place the ads from home by calling newspapers’ toll free numbers or by using their online services. There will be 4-10 ads placed weekly, for each ad you post you are paid with $100, you will deduct your share from money we send you to post the ads. For example, if we need to place an ad that costs $500 we will send you $600, you pay $500 to newspaper or website that places the ad and you remain same day with $100 commission. This is possible because for a foreign company the same ad costs around $900-$1100.
Almost all of our ads are employment ads from various European companies that want to have ads in the US. We may also have some ads from US companies wanting to advertise in European newspapers.
Requirements:
- Internet access OR the ability to check your email daily
- You must be over 20 years old
- 2-3 hours free during the week (mainly in the evening / non-business hours) for communication;
You will enjoy working independently from home in a way that meets your scheduling needs. You can earn a full-time income in as little as 2-3 hours/week.This is an excellent way to supplement your current income. It is possible to work for us for a few hours daily and increase your income by up to $800 weekly. If you have any questions about an assignment, you will generally receive a response from us within the same day, often within few minutes. NO account SETUP fees or fees of any kind are required for this work.
To start the job today please reply with the information below:
First name, Last name:
Full Street Address – NO PO Boxes please:
City, State, Postal Zip Code:
Two E-mail addresses:
Phone#:
We will select papers from the US where the classified ads will be placed and send you the funds to post. You need to place the ads in max. 48 hours after you receive the money from us! This is the only condition we ask. How you are paid for your services: As specified above, there will be 4-10 employment ads placed weekly. For each ad you post, you are paid $100. You will deduct your share from money we send you to post the ads. After a satisfactory 30-day trial period, we will establish a long-term contract with you. You will be registered as our employee and we’ll pay taxes every time you will place an ad. You will then receive a 1099 form at the end of each year from us. Although the requirements for this position are very simple and all terms are clear, please do not apply for this job if you are not responsible. Your agreement will be considered a US binding contract, so we expect you to follow through on your commitment to our requirements.
Small online businesses, especially design companies, are being targeted by a similar scam. The scammers place a custom order for a large dollar amount and pay by bad check or stolen credit card but ask the victim to pay for freight via their favorite independent shipping company (e.g. “G freight company”) for shipping (e.g. to Norway). I recently had the opportunity to decline such an order.
Yeah, I got hit with two of these in the first few hours after posting an ad for my desk on CL. They rely on money order fraud to make it work. The minute I wrote both back and said “cash only,” they disappeared.
The CL scam page now lists this type of fraud explicitly.
Apparently a similar scam involves someone offering to rent an apartment from far away, and sending a money order for their deposit/rent plus a large fee for their “decorator” which they then want you to cash and wire.
(If I understand this correctly) wouldn’t it be easier (for the buyer) to stop payment on the check and issue a new check for the correct amount? It would take less time, cost less (next to nothing — about 15.00 US Dollars) and eliminate trusting the buyer to return the incorrect difference of several thousand dollars.
Instead, the buyer — avoiding ‘common sense’ general practices, prefers creating a convoluted process; requiring the seller to get involved with something of a chaotic fiasco.
Isn’t that a couch or sofa? I thought a loveseat had the seats facing opposite directions.
Oh, I’ve gotten these emails from Craigslist too! Check out the Scambaiters website (don’t remember what it is… 401eaters.com or something… just google “scambaiter”) to see the fun you can have with these guys.
Apparently, people take great pleasure in wasting the time of these obnoxious scammers by leading them on for a great length of time. You can sometimes convince them to do ridiculous things for “their money”–like recording themselves reading the entire Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy book aloud.
Don’t feel bad for them either! They only do this because it sometimes works, and they’re stealing money (and wasting the time) of innocent citizens.
Hi,
I live in France, and we almost fall into the trap. We were selling a computer for 900€ and the man from Canada sent us a 3000€ check from somewhere in Switzerland. He suggest that we withdraw some money at the bank and then he sent a friend of his to come take the computer and the money. The guy was really strange on the phone, almost violent. We finally cut all the discussion and sell the computer to someonelse.
My friend and I decided to “porter plainte” to the police. I think that everybody should do so, because there are still people that are more naïve and may fall into the trap !
Well have a good day and f***k the Scammers
People who have good standing at their banks have automatic access to deposited checks, whether the checks are good or not. The scammers rely on people not knowing this and depositing their forgeries, then assuming the check was good because the bank honored it. Two weeks later the bank gets the check returned, by which time the money was wired into the ether.
Skye, in the above comment, did a much better job at explaining what causes the scam to succeed — than where I was trying to go with the comment above about the chosen chaotic method of operation being a ‘red flag’ on someone doing a scam.
I also wanted to add, the check doesn’t even have to be a forgery. The scammer can open a real account with a real balance withdrawn later to a small amount of a few dollars before doing the scam. This causes the check to bounce, requiring the people in good standing cashing the bad check at their bank to return the money to their bank when the check bounces two weeks later.
However, if it was already given to the scammer before the bounce by the other method (such as a money order, wire transfer, or physical pickup), the person cashing the original check, according to bank policy, has to cough up the loss if they want to retain (and maintain their tarnished) good standing regardless of the circumstances.
My brother in law is an artist, and encountered the same type of fraud involving someone who wanted to buy a painting they saw on his website. After things started getting a bit strange, he googled some details and turned up the scam: http://art.mt.gov/artists/artists_alert.asp
DC’s craig’s list is also rife with stuff like this. While apartment hunting I found an ad for something that seemed -almost- too good to be true, so I contacted the landlord asking to set up a time to see the property. This was the reply, verbatim:
Hello,
Thanks for contacting The house is very much available for lease asap,sorry for the late reply,i was away from my computer. The home is only going to be in the hands of the one that will take proper care of it.
I’m a building contractor agent in united state but presently working with the dock workers of (BERGER NIG PLC) here in nigeria somewhere in west region of Africa,we are to build a pedestrian bridge in between the confluence state where two river meet and my duty down here will last for a period of (3year) the House is Presently locked up and i have all keys and necessary document to the house with me down here i would only be interested in given the premises to someone whom will take absolutely good care of the House, Where are you currently located? How soon are you hoping to take up this home? If you are willing to have this premises,then you will be required to make a down deposit of the first month rent which is $900 and a damage security deposit of $300 total amount requested is ($1200) for you to secure this and move in do note that utilities are already included in the monthly fee, This is my first time of doing this but i believe and hope we can work out the details in our best interest and find an honest tenant to rent from me, please i only need a very honest and serious contacts Hope to hear from again,do fill out the application form correctly APPLICATIONFORM
Name:……………………. ……………………
Present Address:………………….. ………..
Phone #:……………..
Cell & Home ……..
How Long?:…………………….
Anticipated Move in date ……… ………….
Previous Address:________
How Long?________
Married?:__________
Spouse’s Name: ________
Children?:_________
How Many?:________
children Ages?:__________________
Pets?:_________
What kind?:__________________
How Many pets?_______
YOUR EMPLOYMENT Employer:………………… …………..
Employer’s Address:……………………. ………………….
Supervisor:__________
Bus. Phone:________
How Long On Present Job?_______
SPOUSE’S EMPLOYMENT
Employer:………………….. ………………………….. ..
Employer’s Address:………………….. ……………..
Supervisor:____________
Bus. Phone:_______________
How Long On Present Job?_____________
REFERENCES
Personal Reference:_________ Phone:___________
You are free to go and have a look at the surrounding and feel the environment, but do not tress-pass as the keys and Documents are with me here and will be sent to you through DHL on receipt of your first rent Deposit no matter the number of Months you paid for will fill the form so that we can proceed about the rent and sending you the document and keys to the house. Take care and I hope to hear from you soon.. Regards hope to read your mail again stay bless and God bless you..
Sincerely…
(name withheld)
********************
So, I can look at the outside of the house, but don’t get to see inside until I pay up & wait for keys? Riiiiight.
What kind of scam is it when they offer you more than you asked for right from the get-go? The same thing, just less clever? I ask because a few years ago I was selling a camera tripod on Craigslist and someone offered to pay me double what I was asking, and they wanted it shipped. I knew it was not that valuable, and the wanting it shipped part sounded fishy, so I never answered.
I encountered this exact same scam about a year ago when I was trying to sell my futon couch on craigslist. I became suspicious as soon as the prospective buyer mentioned “movers.” I then told him that I would only deal with local buyers. Never heard back from him :)
Here’s a scary story: my roommate of a few years ago sold a sampler on Craigslist for $1200. The buyer paid with a certified check, which my roommate deposited and waited for it to clear before giving up the sampler. The check cleared, he withdrew cash off it, the whole bit. Good check, right?
Unfortunately, wrong. Two weeks later the bank told him the check was a forgery. They asked for their $1200 back, my friend didn’t have it, they closed his account and put him on some list that makes it impossible to open a bank account. I forgot the name of this list but somehow its not subject to regular credit report rules, meaning the info doesn’t expire in 7 years.
I think if you repay the money you owe the bank you get off this list, or marked as “cleared”, but still.
So beware checks, even checks that clear.
I had the same scam come my way on CL, but for a pair of boots. This was several years ago so it took me a while to figure out what the game was, though it was clear that fishiness was afoot.
Tangentially, this makes me think back to the halcyon days of mid-2000, when I bought a film processing machine from a gentleman in Holland (I’m in California). I forget I it was from ebay or usenet. Anyway, he was kind enough to sign up for paypal and accept my international payment. Not only that, but the shipping of the unit, which was the size of a steamer trunk, only cost $60.
These days, each of us would assume the other was a scammer, so the transaction would never get started. If it did happen to go through, international (!) shipping would be an order of magnitude more than $60.
Nice sofa!
I started getting Nigerian scam mail in the early 90s. By snail mail! I miss the nice stamps.
Seriously, do people really NOT know how a Nigerian scheme works?
I got a similar one when I tried to sell a T-Mobile Sidekick a few weeks ago. I didn’t jump but it started like this:
“Hello i really appreciate your response to my earlier mail.like i said
i will like to buy this item so pls do withdraw the advert from
Craigslist. I will also like you to know that i will be paying via
check.I will need you to provide me with the following information to
facilitate the mailing of the check.
1.Your full name to be on the check
2.Home or work address
3.Your phone number.
**I will like you to know that you will not be responsible for moving
i will have my mover come over for the pick up as soon as you have
cashed the check**
Have a nice day.
N.B UPS does not deliver to a p.o.box address.”
When I said I wouldn’t accept a check or give out my personal info I didn’t hear anything back.
It seems like the fault here is with your bank, for clearing a check that later turns out to be good. Your bank ought to be able to give you some unambiguous determination that “yes, we received this money on your behalf and we’re not going to ask for it back later when the transaction gets undone”. It seems to me that clearing a check without that assurance is possibly tantamount to fraud on the part of your bank.
Er, turns out to be no good (please fix previous comment).
My parents just had a similar thing happen to them, trying to sell something for a few hundred dollars on Craigslist. In their case, they were sent a money order for $1500 more than their item. “Whoops! I sent you the one that was meant for the piano I’m buying too! Please just cash this and send me the difference.” The scam you’re seeing here is really common, and what they found after researching it later, is that you are potentially in trouble if you go and try to cash that money order. The police told them that if you go with a forged money order and try to cash it, you may also be suspected of trying to scam the bank. Telling them, “this was from the Internet, honest!” may not be enough. So I’d think twice before cashing any money order you get without really understanding it.
My favorite Craigslist scam was hen I had a 4 bedroom, 4 bath apartment for rent. I received an email from and “Italian Modeling Agency Coordinator”. She needed the apartment so her and three models would have a place to stay. She included details such as height (they were all 5′8″ or taller), hair color, weight, etc, and oh by the way, she hoped I could show he the local nightlife, since she would be new in town. He company had already issued her an expense check which was about $5000 more than a years rent, so could I please cash the check, keep an extra $1000 for my trouble, and send her the balance. One very imaginative Nigerian!
Check this out – you might find it amusing. I get these scams all the time when i rent rooms in my loft. Many people google this scam and find my livejournal detailing the scam.
http://spliffrd.livejournal.com/1403973.html
As a wedding photographer (based in San Francisco, I do weddings all over the world), I get a version of this ALL THE TIME. They want to book me, they want to send me a check for far beyond my fees, they want me to sent some money to a printer, or a florist, or a baker.
Proud to say I never fell for it once. Sometimes I pretend I fall for it. Oh, sure no problem… Just to waste their time. I figure the more time they are wasting on me, the fewer other people they are scamming.
I have been doing the same exact thing. Except not photography.
I agree with Adam Fields. I thought one of the reasons banks take so long to verify cheques is because they’re checking for fraud.
Hahaha. Sending movers to pick up a Sidekick? That’s rich.
SCAMMER UPDATE:
My loveseat scammer sent me his check for $2950. Here’s a photo of it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/telstar/3451286166/in/photostream/
yet another reason Todd Lapin is my personal hero.
great sleuthing by the Telstar Intelligence Wing.
I just sold my drumset to a guy through craigslist and got a check from Betti Industries. I havent cashed it yet however. The guy is still awaiting my Western Union money transfer, I have a few addresses and emails from the guy, is there anyway I can nail him for fraud?
please send me any information @ mrhammer@uncg.edu
Thanks
I googled this and found your entry because I was suspicious about a response to a couch that I put on Craigslist. Check it out:
“I appreciate your response to my inquiry. Am interested in buying
it from you. I would love to come and check it myself but I just got
married and am presently on an honeymoon trip to Hawaii with my wife.
Pls do withdraw ,with immediate effect, the advert from Web as i
dont mind adding $50 for you to do that, so i can be rest assured that
the item is held for me. I should believe it is in good condition as
stated. I will be making the payment via a Certified Check, which my
secretary will mail across to you. I’ll be picking the item from you
with the aid of my mover. My Mover will be coming to pick it from you
once the Certified Check has been cashed.
Pls I will need both your full name and physical address to issue
out the payment. waiting to hear from you soon.”
What the heck! Totally the same thing, huh? I knew it.
BUMP!
Just got another one this morning and noticed that they changed the verbiage slightly. Here’s what the July scam template looks like –
***
Dear Applicant,
We received your application for our job posted on Craigslist. We are sincerely sorry to inform you that the position has been occupied. Our personnel manager went through your resume and you have been picked for an alternative Job Position which is the Payment Personnel. We need is a Payment Personal manager for the company on financial issues.
About US:
(Do Art) is a United Kingdom Based Company and with established leaders in innovative Art Works Technology, providing art materials in Europe,Canada and Mexico. We have just been given the license to do the trading within the United states and we’re doing our best to make sure we serve the entire United States and a growing export market.
Your primary task for now, as a representative of the company is to co-ordinate payments from customers in the United States and help us with the payment process. You are not involved in any sales. Once payment are received and sorted we make delivery to the customer. After this has been done the customer has to pay for the products but in most cases we make our clients prepay for orders or items they ordered for. About 90 percent of our customers prefer to pay through Certified Checks or Money Orders drawn from the United State based on the amount involved why Only few decides on Bank Transfers which is not also suitable. In the last AGM we have decided to open this new contract to hire job position for solving this problem by employing Payment Personnel.
Your First Primary task (Collection of Payments). WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR US….
1. Receive payment from our Customers or Clients.
2. Cash Payment at your Bank or Deposit payment and let us know how long its going to take
before it clear the Bank.
3. Deduct 10 % which will be your percentage/pay on Payment processed.
4. Forward balance after deduction of percentage/pay to any of the offices you will be
instructed to send payment to, You’ll have a lot of free time doing another job,
because this is a part time job, you’ll get good income.
But this job is very challenging and you should understand it. We are considering your application because you satisfy our requirements and we are sure you will be an earnest assistant till we start running our branch office in your state.
For example: if you receive 4000.00 USD and your 10% should be 400.00 USD Plus your basis monthly salary is 1000.00 USD here are the information you are to provide then we will get back to you after we must have gone through it all.
Get back to us with information below information, so that we can add your mailing address to our Regional database and forward it to our customers for them to send payments. please send the following information to
Eddiedennis.inc136@gmail.com
Please Apply by filling the Requirements Below:
* Full Names______________
* Address_________________
* City____________________
* State___________________
* Zip Code________________
* Home Phone______________
* Cell Phone______________
* DOB_____________________
* Email___________________
* Present Occupation_______
* Sex_____________________
NOTE: Please make sure you send this as soon as
possible.
Thanks and best regards,
Eddie Dennis.
Yup! My wife was also trying to sell a piece of furniture on Craigslist and, minus a few small details, received almost exactly the same response as above. We were given a way-too-good-to-be-true offer for a couch we were only asking a hundred or so dollars for. All we had to do was cash a large check, and then deduct 200 dollars from it for “moving expenses”. Once we had sent that cash along, the movers would come for our couch. Total scam. I just wish I had caught it before the wife gave these scammers our home address and phone number.
I almost fell for this-word for word on Craig list trying to sell a VCR. I didn’t understand what he meant by the “my mover” comments so I went to the search engines and typed in Western Union and my mover thinking this might be a feature of Western Union. That’s when I ran into all of these stories. I hate to admit, but if I had not seen your articles I may very well have cashed the check and been responsible for about $1300. Thank you very much!
OMG!! This is happening to me right now! I posted an ad on craigslist trying to sell my king sized bed. Within 24 hours I got 4 responses. They were all pretty much the same… ” I have viewed the pictures and am very interested. I would love to come to your place for a viewing but I am very busy with work, so that isn’t possible. I will be mailing you a check for the asking price as well as the money for the movers. Please pass the money along when they arrive to pick up the furniture.” I finally got smart and googled it. And now Im glad that I did. Three of the responses were from people using Gmail and the fourth was from someone using AOL.
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