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	<title>Comments on: The Green Man Theme &amp; Poster For Burning Man 2007</title>
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		<title>By: Trista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, that&#039;s not Greenman at all! lol</description>
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		<title>By: Burning Man 2007 Begins Today! &#171; Official Linden Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burning Man 2007 Begins Today! &#171; Official Linden Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Burning Life&#8217;s 2007 theme is the Green Man, which celebrates fusing together the self-imposed disparity between human beings and the environment. For more information on the Green Man theme, visit here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Burning Life&#8217;s 2007 theme is the Green Man, which celebrates fusing together the self-imposed disparity between human beings and the environment. For more information on the Green Man theme, visit here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Herrera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose Herrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 07:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The theme is green. Hundreds of tons of wood will be burned and hundreds of gallons of propane will be burned for pyrotechnic displays. All for the environment? Hypocrisy at its finest. Oh, let me guess the tens of thousands of tons of carbon emissions will be off set by purchases &quot;carbon credits&quot;. Yea ok buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The theme is green. Hundreds of tons of wood will be burned and hundreds of gallons of propane will be burned for pyrotechnic displays. All for the environment? Hypocrisy at its finest. Oh, let me guess the tens of thousands of tons of carbon emissions will be off set by purchases &#8220;carbon credits&#8221;. Yea ok buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbly peg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbly peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Todd and anyone still reading this far,

That&#039;s a respectable response, But... 

BM has existed since 1986! and one could argue that it,s impact on bay area culture has been microscopic, if not unregisterable... ( at least in terms of off-the-party map) 

While on the other hand, one can clearly trace a serious decline in &quot;free space&quot; ( refering to a variety of levels from physical space to social and political and behavioral phenomena) in San Francisco over those years, which is certainly not attributable to BM anymore than it would be to any one specific trend in, lets call it, &quot;entertainment culture&quot;. 

But examined as a whole, there is perhaps little that translates from this experimental community to our everyday existence, possibly because it seems, in concept, almost still entirely invested in the rock concert formula or Vacation Bubble, i.e. a Las Vegas for art and party pagans.

One example of its &quot;trickle down to reality&quot;, and certianly this is not a comprehensive view but a trigger for further thinking and analysis, might be BM&#039;s efforts this year to save Ocean Beach for public use and building fire pits. Well  it,s a nice creative gesture, but given that it &quot;recruits&quot; up to 35,000 people a year, which at an average ticket price of 200, has the potential to collect 7 million dollars a year -well that&#039;s miniscule funds in terms of social projects - but in terms of time and people power this could be considered an extraordinary LACK of return. 

Returns?! We&#039;re talking about a festival! Since when does a festival seek social return?? Well if the migration is truly to a new formula of culture, and hell knows we NEED it, that&#039;s a question we might start asking...

And perhaps what is most depressing in this picture is there doesn&#039;t really appear to be any serious platform for expanding the community dialogue, much less acting, around these issues, maybe cause everybody&#039;s too busy organizing their ephemeral camps for the dustbowl. Maybe cause BM is in danger of realizing itself as in fact an &quot;ADVERTISING AGENCY&quot;... for further americana-esque oblivion ?? 

Sure, there&#039;s potential for cross-pollination, to strengthen community, etc, but the more it sheds its counter culture roots the more its going to look like a suburb and RV park for baked out Rolling Stones 3-d grizzled museum artifacts and amusement park turn-stylists.  

I,m sure there&#039;d be a great Baudrillard quote to drop here, but tried that before, i think everyone here is too busy looking at themselves in BM coffee table books bought on Amazon.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Todd and anyone still reading this far,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a respectable response, But&#8230; </p>
<p>BM has existed since 1986! and one could argue that it,s impact on bay area culture has been microscopic, if not unregisterable&#8230; ( at least in terms of off-the-party map) </p>
<p>While on the other hand, one can clearly trace a serious decline in &#8220;free space&#8221; ( refering to a variety of levels from physical space to social and political and behavioral phenomena) in San Francisco over those years, which is certainly not attributable to BM anymore than it would be to any one specific trend in, lets call it, &#8220;entertainment culture&#8221;. </p>
<p>But examined as a whole, there is perhaps little that translates from this experimental community to our everyday existence, possibly because it seems, in concept, almost still entirely invested in the rock concert formula or Vacation Bubble, i.e. a Las Vegas for art and party pagans.</p>
<p>One example of its &#8220;trickle down to reality&#8221;, and certianly this is not a comprehensive view but a trigger for further thinking and analysis, might be BM&#8217;s efforts this year to save Ocean Beach for public use and building fire pits. Well  it,s a nice creative gesture, but given that it &#8220;recruits&#8221; up to 35,000 people a year, which at an average ticket price of 200, has the potential to collect 7 million dollars a year -well that&#8217;s miniscule funds in terms of social projects &#8211; but in terms of time and people power this could be considered an extraordinary LACK of return. </p>
<p>Returns?! We&#8217;re talking about a festival! Since when does a festival seek social return?? Well if the migration is truly to a new formula of culture, and hell knows we NEED it, that&#8217;s a question we might start asking&#8230;</p>
<p>And perhaps what is most depressing in this picture is there doesn&#8217;t really appear to be any serious platform for expanding the community dialogue, much less acting, around these issues, maybe cause everybody&#8217;s too busy organizing their ephemeral camps for the dustbowl. Maybe cause BM is in danger of realizing itself as in fact an &#8220;ADVERTISING AGENCY&#8221;&#8230; for further americana-esque oblivion ?? </p>
<p>Sure, there&#8217;s potential for cross-pollination, to strengthen community, etc, but the more it sheds its counter culture roots the more its going to look like a suburb and RV park for baked out Rolling Stones 3-d grizzled museum artifacts and amusement park turn-stylists.  </p>
<p>I,m sure there&#8217;d be a great Baudrillard quote to drop here, but tried that before, i think everyone here is too busy looking at themselves in BM coffee table books bought on Amazon.com</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.P.
 That was pretty much my perspective until I went and realized that Burning Man&#039;s great potential is as an experiments in community.

 I agree that we should be careful to not use up our resources in the desert, but creativity is not limited - it is strengthened through practice and cross-pollination.  While creativity can be drained by a job in advertising, it will be fortified by participation in community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.P.<br />
 That was pretty much my perspective until I went and realized that Burning Man&#8217;s great potential is as an experiments in community.</p>
<p> I agree that we should be careful to not use up our resources in the desert, but creativity is not limited &#8211; it is strengthened through practice and cross-pollination.  While creativity can be drained by a job in advertising, it will be fortified by participation in community.</p>
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		<title>By: mumbly peg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mumbly peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just happened to catch a tiny bit of Burning Man reps on KALW talking about how BM is Not counter culture, it&#039;s mainstream ( I&#039;ll say)  and then launching into a discussion With PRIDE that in this temporary city the security/police will respond to a call within 3-5 minutes, instead of 17 minutes it takes in a normal city ( perhaps specific to SF ). Very strange topic that reveals there&#039;s a full PR wing in high gear, and should be informative to those who are still under the delusion that art(ists) rules the city. 

Just in case anyone didn&#039;t yet notice, no one LIVES at Burning Man. It&#039;s a 2-3 week city that might as well be Disneyland with a frat boy, frat girl art orgy theme... or an extended acid trip in a gated americana community, which might be a nice shopping ritual of freedom in itself, but remember you will return home to a culture on a global crash course ...Would you like fries and a soda with that?

As a friend from Journal of Aesthetics And Protest said recently, BM SUCKS THE LIBIDINAL ECONOMY FROM OUR REAL CITIES, and then laughed that there will eventually be a protest movement with signs that read &quot; DO YOUR DRUGS WHERE YOU LIVE ! &quot;

Todd not to disillusion you or anyone else entirely from trying to connect arts with purpose, but attempting to make purposeful art (i.e.social change and liberation) at BM is a bit like trying to encourage an addicted gambler at Vegas to spend his wad on tantric sex instead, or instructing the Nero crowd at the fall of the Roman Empire to eat vegan. 

As the reps on KALW said: the shit&#039;s mainstream... and about as connected to Radical Art and Nature as the new promo poster for an over-priced vacation at Magic Mountain. Speaking of which, this new poster looks like  someone&#039;s trying to reconnect with a Farah Fawcett fantasy hell from the 70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just happened to catch a tiny bit of Burning Man reps on KALW talking about how BM is Not counter culture, it&#8217;s mainstream ( I&#8217;ll say)  and then launching into a discussion With PRIDE that in this temporary city the security/police will respond to a call within 3-5 minutes, instead of 17 minutes it takes in a normal city ( perhaps specific to SF ). Very strange topic that reveals there&#8217;s a full PR wing in high gear, and should be informative to those who are still under the delusion that art(ists) rules the city. </p>
<p>Just in case anyone didn&#8217;t yet notice, no one LIVES at Burning Man. It&#8217;s a 2-3 week city that might as well be Disneyland with a frat boy, frat girl art orgy theme&#8230; or an extended acid trip in a gated americana community, which might be a nice shopping ritual of freedom in itself, but remember you will return home to a culture on a global crash course &#8230;Would you like fries and a soda with that?</p>
<p>As a friend from Journal of Aesthetics And Protest said recently, BM SUCKS THE LIBIDINAL ECONOMY FROM OUR REAL CITIES, and then laughed that there will eventually be a protest movement with signs that read &#8221; DO YOUR DRUGS WHERE YOU LIVE ! &#8221;</p>
<p>Todd not to disillusion you or anyone else entirely from trying to connect arts with purpose, but attempting to make purposeful art (i.e.social change and liberation) at BM is a bit like trying to encourage an addicted gambler at Vegas to spend his wad on tantric sex instead, or instructing the Nero crowd at the fall of the Roman Empire to eat vegan. </p>
<p>As the reps on KALW said: the shit&#8217;s mainstream&#8230; and about as connected to Radical Art and Nature as the new promo poster for an over-priced vacation at Magic Mountain. Speaking of which, this new poster looks like  someone&#8217;s trying to reconnect with a Farah Fawcett fantasy hell from the 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: Linker Barn: Tuesday, July 17</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linker Barn: Tuesday, July 17</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Green Man: Burning Man 2007 theme. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the 1st draft of the Greenman poster and some coments by the artist:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10111/537890660/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the 1st draft of the Greenman poster and some coments by the artist:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10111/537890660/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/10111/537890660/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Todd Berman</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/the-green-man-theme-poster-for-burning-man-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-250397</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this theme very inspiring - it&#039;s nice when there&#039;s a purpose to the art.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m involved in this Green Man inspired art exhibit (see http://sfbayburnerevents.tribe.net/thread/566f8f9f-43b7-4fc2-bfe9-0a66494fd89c):

Humanity vs. Nature
Art Exhibit at Toad&#039;s
With food and wine specials.
Followed by a bonfire.

When:
    Friday, July 20, 6:30pm - 10:30pm 
Where:
    Toad&#039;s
    1499 Valencia St
    San Francisco, CA
    (415) 648-8623
Cost:
    Free 

What/Why:
    What is the relationship between humanity and nature?

    This is the question that we keep getting faced with - whether we&#039;re devotees of Al Gore or we&#039;re preparing for the &quot;Green Man&quot; Burning Man. Come see some art that will help you figure it out.

    Toad&#039;s will be featuring a special on new dishes paired with new wines.
    The night will end with a backyard bonfire - don&#039;t miss it!

Featuring art by Kevin Haas, Nicole Cameron, Deanna Leiphart, Jessica Stafford and Todd Berman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this theme very inspiring &#8211; it&#8217;s nice when there&#8217;s a purpose to the art.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m involved in this Green Man inspired art exhibit (see <a href="http://sfbayburnerevents.tribe.net/thread/566f8f9f-43b7-4fc2-bfe9-0a66494fd89c)" rel="nofollow">http://sfbayburnerevents.tribe.net/thread/566f8f9f-43b7-4fc2-bfe9-0a66494fd89c)</a>:</p>
<p>Humanity vs. Nature<br />
Art Exhibit at Toad&#8217;s<br />
With food and wine specials.<br />
Followed by a bonfire.</p>
<p>When:<br />
    Friday, July 20, 6:30pm &#8211; 10:30pm<br />
Where:<br />
    Toad&#8217;s<br />
    1499 Valencia St<br />
    San Francisco, CA<br />
    (415) 648-8623<br />
Cost:<br />
    Free </p>
<p>What/Why:<br />
    What is the relationship between humanity and nature?</p>
<p>    This is the question that we keep getting faced with &#8211; whether we&#8217;re devotees of Al Gore or we&#8217;re preparing for the &#8220;Green Man&#8221; Burning Man. Come see some art that will help you figure it out.</p>
<p>    Toad&#8217;s will be featuring a special on new dishes paired with new wines.<br />
    The night will end with a backyard bonfire &#8211; don&#8217;t miss it!</p>
<p>Featuring art by Kevin Haas, Nicole Cameron, Deanna Leiphart, Jessica Stafford and Todd Berman.</p>
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