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Scientology Responds to Anonymous As 2nd Global Protest Nears

posted by Scott Beale on Friday, March 14th, 2008

Beginning in January a group calling itself Anonymous began an online campaign against the Church of Scientology (know as Project Chanology), leading to a global protest of Scientology on February 10th. Earlier this week Scientology (or people claiming to represent Scientology) posted with their own video response to Anonymous, accusing them of hate crimes and terrorism.

A second global protest of Scientology organized by Anonymous “Operation Party Hard - The Ides of March” is scheduled for this Saturday, March 15th, to be followed by a “Operation Reconnect” on April 12th to reunite families “disconnected” by Scientology.

See Previously: Anonymous vs. Church of Scientology

UPDATE: Jason DeFillippo has a write-up on SF Metblogs about Anonymous’ March 15th protest in San Francisco.

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this blog post was written by Scott Beale on Friday, March 14th, 2008


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    YouTube has already removed that video for a "terms of use violation"!?!
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    The first video has already been pulled by YouTube :(
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    Yeah, I've been looking for the video elsewhere. If I find it again, I'll update this post.
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    All the videos get taken down after an hour or so of being posted. They are all the same with a complaint about Anonymous and then the outing of an alleged member.

    The jpg at the bottom of this page tells the story.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sean_carasov
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    I don't think that those responses are from the Church of Scientology. Probably from some other hacker who happens to be pro-Scientology. Prob'ly someone from the same chan, even.

    I've been a Scientologist for about 22 years. My take on this is that Anonymous is misplaced idealism combined with wrong data on what Scientology is or stands for, + some anti-Scientologists and ex-Scientologists manipulating the thing for their own benefit.

    Anyway, in terms of a good response to anonymous, I found this one on YouTube that I personally agree with.

    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSUHnQQwnTE

    By the way, for some laugh, you gotta check out these two:

    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNr5lUdQ-PU
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwCWWZyeInw

    best,
    Greg
    Scientologist and proud of it
    http://www.liveandgrow.org
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    Greg- why do the Scientologists on the Youtube videos you've posted delete otherwise honest, normal comments? Why is it so hard to meet an honest Scientologist? If you believe there is some wrong data about what Scientology stands for, why do you think no Scientologist are willing to point out what that wrong data is? What conclusions do you think people are drawing from these facts?

    If you are really proud to be a Scientologist, what do you have to say about all of the horrible things that are done in the name of your religion? All of the people killed and lives ruined? The bigotry and opposition to drugs? How are we supposed to tell whether someone is really a proud Scientologist or is just trolling? Why did you feel the need to post an otherwise lengthy contentless posts about your religion? What reaction are you trying to elicit?
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    Is this the video that you had posted earlier Scott?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGEuGsO9cCA
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    Yes, it looks like someone reposted the original under a new account "AnonymousFiction" instead of "AnonymousTruth". I've updated the post, but I'm sure this video will be removed as well.

    Is it me or does the voice of the narrator sound like John Walsh of "America's Most Wanted". If so, it's perfect casting.
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    Hey Greg,

    If you're so sure the video bashing Anonymous wasn't from the church of scientology, then why is the background image for the AnonymousTruth hosted on img2.scientology.org? Do a view of the HTML on their friggin' YouTube page before you spout off more propaganda, k?

    What's your next claim -- that Anonymous managed to sneak the background image onto a Scientology-owned server?

    Lame.
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    P.S. if anyone doubts that the church of scientology was behind that propaganda video, here is the original background image HTML

    background-image: url(http://img2.scientology.org/img/youtube/grid.jpg);

    (the jpg is still up on their site)

    Go see for yourself. This is how they work. Total BS all the time.
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    Hi David;
    I don't "claim" anything about the video - I'm speculating about it.
    In regards to the background image, Duh! anyone can hotlink an image from another site. <img src="http etc.

    Still, I'm not making any claims. I've spoken to some Scientologists who are sure the video came directly from the Church. I was just giving my opinion.

    best,
    Greg
    Scientologist and proud of it
    http://www.liveandgrow.org
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    Jim, dude! So many questions! Do you really want an answer to each one, or was it just meant to be rethorical and an attempt to win an argument by overwhelming the dialog?

    1) Greg- why do the Scientologists on the Youtube videos you’ve posted delete otherwise honest, normal comments?
    I do not know. And I do not know that this in fact does happen. I'm wondering what you consider "honest, normal comments" Jim. Was your post here a "normal, honest comment"?

    2) Why is it so hard to meet an honest Scientologist?
    ROFL! Would ANY answer to this be accepted? I mean, us Scientologists being so dishonest and all.

    3) If you believe there is some wrong data about what Scientology stands for, why do you think no Scientologist are willing to point out what that wrong data is?
    Not only do Scientologists try to point this out routinely, but officials of my Church have answered these questions in many interviews. But the Net forums crowd doesn't wanna hear that, they like the controversy better - more fun I suppose. My personal experience is, when I try to share correct, real information about what Scientology is all about, based on my own experience, I get slammed with ad-hominem attacks and everything I say gets challenged by people who have no first-hand experience. It's tiring.

    4) What conclusions do you think people are drawing from these facts?
    You haven't given "facts," Jim. You've given a bunch of fallacies in an effort to discredit. Re: People: I have no idea what conclusion each person reaches. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess.

    5) If you are really proud to be a Scientologist, what do you have to say about all of the horrible things that are done in the name of your religion?
    Taken from anti-Scientology hate sites no doubt. Look, I can't debunk every myth. Simple truth is, if we had done ONE TENTH the crap they say we do, we'd all be in jail. C'mon now.

    6)All of the people killed and lives ruined?
    Bullsh*t.

    7) The bigotry and opposition to drugs?
    Don't know what bigotry you're referring to (other than your own obvious bigotry against my religion.
    Opposition to drugs? Duh. Do an online search for "paxil + side effects" or "prozac + dangers" or "antidepressants + deaths" - get informed.

    8) How are we supposed to tell whether someone is really a proud Scientologist or is just trolling?
    ROFL! I guess you'd never know, right? What the hell am I supposed to answer to that, how do I prove that I'm proud? Lame, lame question.

    9) Why did you feel the need to post an otherwise lengthy contentless posts about your religion?
    W-w-what? That doesn't even make any sense.

    10) What reaction are you trying to elicit?
    I dunno. I suppose I wanted to speak my mind. Free Country and all that. What's your beef, dude?

    Sincerely,
    Greg
    Scientologist and proud of it
    http://www.liveandgrow.org
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    Let me break out the Scientology-to-English dictionary here and translate.


    1) Greg- why do the Scientologists on the Youtube videos you’ve posted delete otherwise honest, normal comments?
    * I do not know. And I do not know that this in fact does happen. I’m wondering what you consider “honest, normal comments” *Jim. Was your post here a “normal, honest comment”?
    = We delete your posts to silence dissent; anyone who disagrees with us is wrong and must be silenced.

    2) Why is it so hard to meet an honest Scientologist?
    *ROFL! Would ANY answer to this be accepted? I mean, us Scientologists being so dishonest and all.
    = All Sceintologists on teh internets are OSA trolls.

    3) If you believe there is some wrong data about what Scientology stands for, why do you think no Scientologist are willing to point out what that wrong data is?
    * Not only do Scientologists try to point this out routinely, but officials of my Church have answered these questions in many interviews. But the Net forums crowd doesn’t wanna hear that, they like the controversy better - more fun I suppose. My personal experience is, when I try to share correct, real information about what Scientology is all about, based on my own experience, I get slammed with ad-hominem attacks and everything I say gets challenged by people who have no first-hand experience. It’s tiring.
    = If you want our version of the facts you must pay for them; $300,000.00 please.

    4) What conclusions do you think people are drawing from these facts?
    * You haven’t given “facts,” Jim. You’ve given a bunch of fallacies in an effort to discredit. Re: People: I have no idea what conclusion each person reaches. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess.
    = I've returned with my own bunch of fallacies and answered many of your questions with questions of my own because that way I don't have to deal with your questions.

    5) If you are really proud to be a Scientologist, what do you have to say about all of the horrible things that are done in the name of your religion?
    * Taken from anti-Scientology hate sites no doubt. Look, I can’t debunk every myth. Simple truth is, if we had done ONE TENTH the crap they say we do, we’d all be in jail. C’mon now.
    = They're gonna put us all in Jail when the end comes.

    6)All of the people killed and lives ruined?
    * Bullsh*t.
    = Uh my higher ups deny those deaths are associated with the Cult and I have no information to disprove them. But hey they wouldn't lie to me to cover their own asses, right? Right?

    7) The bigotry and opposition to drugs?
    * Don’t know what bigotry you’re referring to (other than your own obvious bigotry against my religion.
    * Opposition to drugs? Duh. Do an online search for “paxil + side effects” or “prozac + dangers” or “antidepressants + deaths” - get informed.
    = So L.Con Hubbard hated blacks, gays, women, asians.. uh anyone who wasn't giving him money. That's okay we like everyone who has money.
    = Oh and the drugs thing; yeah every medical drug has side effects and we don't like them. The fact that they do help some people is neither here nor there, as is the fact that people we've taken off their antipsychotics have gone psychotic and uh killed people is nothing to do with us. Really. I refer you to my previous answer. Oh and the fact that the E Meter acts like a TENS machine is neither here nor there.

    8) How are we supposed to tell whether someone is really a proud Scientologist or is just trolling?
    * ROFL! I guess you’d never know, right? What the hell am I supposed to answer to that, how do I prove that I’m proud? Lame, lame question.
    = Of course I'm Trolling if I didn't I'd be locked up and used as slave labour.

    9) Why did you feel the need to post an otherwise lengthy contentless posts about your religion?
    * W-w-what? That doesn’t even make any sense.
    = Uh, wai my brain no werk?

    10) What reaction are you trying to elicit?
    * I dunno. I suppose I wanted to speak my mind. Free Country and all that. What’s your beef, dude?
    = You don't understand if I don't troll they'll down stat me and put me on RPF and I won't be allowed to see my family! Please this is a cry for help; I'm trapped inside an evil fascistic cult that practices disconnection, brain washing, child abuse, slave labor and a whole host of other crimes.

    Don't worry Greg, your cry has been heard. Even as we speak legions of Anons across the world are preparing for April 12 when as one we shall be reconnecting families broken by Scientology. Keep your head down and your stats up and soon you shall be free!

    Oh and don't worry you have anonymous friends on the outside; we'll keep this between ourselves. You should also have plenty of time to get your stats back up before Thursday.
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    Don't forget about these other great upcoming "Anonymous" projects - creating UFO hoaxes for July 4, and creating hoax terrorism threats on 8-8-08. Let's not forget what "Anonymous" is really all about - getting lulz at other people's expense. What's more lulzy than terrorist threats? Hilarious!
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    i had already hated Scientology because of their financial dealings (700$ for an "AUDIT" I'll go back to my soulless xenu filled life, thank you very much) but now I have to deal with their excessive overuse of graphics in their videos. Anonymous' videos show a calm cloud filled sky with soft computer speech from a Mac. Co$ shows overtly technical videos with High Tech animations. Ever heard of (k)eep (i)t (S)imple (S)hithead?
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    Look.
    All I did was express my opinions. As I'm free to do.
    I understand that my opinions may be unpopular. So be it.

    But this site claims that it will not approve comments which are abusive. It lies. The responses to my comments have been abusive, offensive and direct attacks on my person and character, as well as my religion.

    All well and good because I'm a "cultie," right?

    Well, some day you may be on the other side of discrimination - because of your religious beliefs or race or gender orientation or whatever - and then let's see how you like being trashed by abusive comments just for speaking your mind.

    To the Moderator: You're asleep at the wheel, pal.

    Sincerely,
    Greg
    Scientologist and proud of it
    http://www.liveandgrow.org
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    Wow, operation reconect sounds really cool. It's so sad that scientology tore those familys apart. I wish there was somehting I could do regarding that, but, since I'm not in anonymous, I guess not. Still, it'd be really cool to, like, help people who have been torn apart by scientology.

    And greg, of course you don't know any of those things. Since you're not one of the higher up people in there, they don't tell you sqat. Nothing has happened to you because you've continued paying like a good boy. Stop paying, and you'll see what they're talking about. I suggest keeping paying, or leaving. Leaving is good, but then they'll like, hunt you down...


    The scientologist probably made that video, I wouldn't put it past them. It could be a scientology supporter, but how many scientology supporters do you see that don't belong to the 'church?' So I'm guessing it's them.

    Can anyone tell me how the March protest went? I REALLY wanted to go, but I wasn't allowed to. It be great to know how everything went. Thanks!
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