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	<title>Comments on: John Law Sues His Former Burning Man Partners</title>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wicker man comes to mind</description>
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		<title>By: WALT!</title>
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		<dc:creator>WALT!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this ever settled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this ever settled?</p>
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		<title>By: Burning Man News: Former BM Co-founder, John Law, Sues Burning Man</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-266729</link>
		<dc:creator>Burning Man News: Former BM Co-founder, John Law, Sues Burning Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lawsuit info on the Laughing Squid website [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lawsuit info on the Laughing Squid website [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brandthroposophy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Burning Man&#8217;s Sold Out!</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-238501</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandthroposophy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Burning Man&#8217;s Sold Out!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and others would like to see it released into the public domain. The story is covered thoroughly here. Call it what you want, but that&#8217;s very much a battle over a brand in my opinion. And [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and others would like to see it released into the public domain. The story is covered thoroughly here. Call it what you want, but that&#8217;s very much a battle over a brand in my opinion. And [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HR Lori &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Burning Man Workers</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-110972</link>
		<dc:creator>HR Lori &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Burning Man Workers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] every year and want to see it continue for a long time to come. Between this and John Law&#8217;s lawsuit, it sounds like the Black Rock LLC has some challenges [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] every year and want to see it continue for a long time to come. Between this and John Law&#8217;s lawsuit, it sounds like the Black Rock LLC has some challenges [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charles w rowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles w rowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like this is just a way for them to â€œget outâ€ of doing burning man. It is getting pretty big and seems to me that the original intent is getting buried under all the requirements they need to meet.
â€œYou sew me and Iâ€™ll sew you and weâ€™ll all have a beer on the backporch, thank you very muchâ€.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like this is just a way for them to â€œget outâ€ of doing burning man. It is getting pretty big and seems to me that the original intent is getting buried under all the requirements they need to meet.<br />
â€œYou sew me and Iâ€™ll sew you and weâ€™ll all have a beer on the backporch, thank you very muchâ€.</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Mythology &#124; The Otherworld &#124; Cultural Branding &#124; Naming &#124; Language &#124; Design</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-102017</link>
		<dc:creator>Modern Mythology &#124; The Otherworld &#124; Cultural Branding &#124; Naming &#124; Language &#124; Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The recent brouhaha over the Burning ManÂ trademark set me to thinking aboutÂ theÂ role of the Otherworld inÂ pop culture.Â One common feature of Indo-European mythology (as well as of many other cultures) is the concept ofÂ an alternate world &#8212; existing side by side with ours &#8212; where the conventions of &#8220;our&#8221; society areÂ flouted (or even reversed) and which can be entered into only at special times or places. The Medieval WelshÂ &#8221;fairyland&#8221; of Annwfn, Arthur&#8217;s Avalon, and the Lord of the Rings&#8217; elvishÂ realm ofÂ LothlÃ³rienÂ were all inspired by this very rich mythical construct. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The recent brouhaha over the Burning ManÂ trademark set me to thinking aboutÂ theÂ role of the Otherworld inÂ pop culture.Â One common feature of Indo-European mythology (as well as of many other cultures) is the concept ofÂ an alternate world &#8212; existing side by side with ours &#8212; where the conventions of &#8220;our&#8221; society areÂ flouted (or even reversed) and which can be entered into only at special times or places. The Medieval WelshÂ &#8221;fairyland&#8221; of Annwfn, Arthur&#8217;s Avalon, and the Lord of the Rings&#8217; elvishÂ realm ofÂ LothlÃ³rienÂ were all inspired by this very rich mythical construct. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Burning Man trademark controversy at FactoryCity</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-91889</link>
		<dc:creator>The Burning Man trademark controversy at FactoryCity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Beale has been keeping me up to date on the Burning Man trademark controversy and today Eugene Kim pinged me about the story hitting the Chron. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Beale has been keeping me up to date on the Burning Man trademark controversy and today Eugene Kim pinged me about the story hitting the Chron. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kendrak&#8217;s attack / does it burn when you pee?</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-91739</link>
		<dc:creator>kendrak&#8217;s attack / does it burn when you pee?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over the years it&#8217;s grown to be huge and bloated, full of drugged out &#8220;hippies&#8221; play-acting for a week. over the past few years my indifference has grown into contempt, mostly out of proximity to people like my downstairs neighbour who&#8217;s a total &#8220;burner&#8220;. (this is ignoring the fact that i&#8217;m paranoid that she&#8217;s going to burn down the house someday.) there&#8217;s nothing hip or edgy (to me) about (upper)middle class white people people who spend so much money to act arty and hedonistic one week a year, when many seem to be compensating for the guilt associated with privilege and affluence. it&#8217;s funny too, because to be able to afford to go to burning man in style, and all the other neo-primitive arty stuff like srl. ahh, you all love the stereo-typical san franciscan, though it&#8217;s sad when they&#8217;re robbed. well, i guess the burning man community&#8217;s being ripped apart by a lawsuit. to borrow a phrase from the w3b 2.0 burners, &#8220;oh noes!&#8221; of course it&#8217;s a big story on laughing squid. of course i&#8217;m something of a hater because i never &#8220;got it&#8221;, but the whole thing isn&#8217;t suprising- except for the level of indignation people seem to feel. you mean spending a week bartering junk and being high isn&#8217;t a spiritual experience and people just want money? pshaw. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over the years it&#8217;s grown to be huge and bloated, full of drugged out &#8220;hippies&#8221; play-acting for a week. over the past few years my indifference has grown into contempt, mostly out of proximity to people like my downstairs neighbour who&#8217;s a total &#8220;burner&#8220;. (this is ignoring the fact that i&#8217;m paranoid that she&#8217;s going to burn down the house someday.) there&#8217;s nothing hip or edgy (to me) about (upper)middle class white people people who spend so much money to act arty and hedonistic one week a year, when many seem to be compensating for the guilt associated with privilege and affluence. it&#8217;s funny too, because to be able to afford to go to burning man in style, and all the other neo-primitive arty stuff like srl. ahh, you all love the stereo-typical san franciscan, though it&#8217;s sad when they&#8217;re robbed. well, i guess the burning man community&#8217;s being ripped apart by a lawsuit. to borrow a phrase from the w3b 2.0 burners, &#8220;oh noes!&#8221; of course it&#8217;s a big story on laughing squid. of course i&#8217;m something of a hater because i never &#8220;got it&#8221;, but the whole thing isn&#8217;t suprising- except for the level of indignation people seem to feel. you mean spending a week bartering junk and being high isn&#8217;t a spiritual experience and people just want money? pshaw. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: brent lawrence</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-88599</link>
		<dc:creator>brent lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a four year burner who is thinking that I have been too evangelical about the burn and need to take a year off to see if my world remains the same; I am going to a small get togeather with some friends out in a private part of the desert this year to see if it works just as well.

I just saw a microsoft commercial that has a dad with piercings talking to his teenage son about which tatoo to get before they go to burning man, and the son wants to just be left alone. 

This ahows that even hip cool events can become refined, pasturized and processed and have all the nutrients taken out.  It may have become BURNING MAN LAND and now requires a corprate stamp and an E ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a four year burner who is thinking that I have been too evangelical about the burn and need to take a year off to see if my world remains the same; I am going to a small get togeather with some friends out in a private part of the desert this year to see if it works just as well.</p>
<p>I just saw a microsoft commercial that has a dad with piercings talking to his teenage son about which tatoo to get before they go to burning man, and the son wants to just be left alone. </p>
<p>This ahows that even hip cool events can become refined, pasturized and processed and have all the nutrients taken out.  It may have become BURNING MAN LAND and now requires a corprate stamp and an E ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Laughing Squid &#187; Bad Day At Black Rock (Cacophony Society Zone Trip #4)</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-87867</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing Squid &#187; Bad Day At Black Rock (Cacophony Society Zone Trip #4)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recent events have sparked a quite a bit of discussion regarding the history of Burning Man, an event that has been a major influence on my life as well as many of my close friends. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recent events have sparked a quite a bit of discussion regarding the history of Burning Man, an event that has been a major influence on my life as well as many of my close friends. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: B u r n l o g &#187; Burning Man Responds to John Law Complaint</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-87378</link>
		<dc:creator>B u r n l o g &#187; Burning Man Responds to John Law Complaint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On January 9, 2007, LaughingSquid.com announced that John Law, one of the original three co-founders of Burning Man, has filed suit against his former partners Larry Harvey and Michael Michael over the ownership of the Burning Man name, image, and likeness. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On January 9, 2007, LaughingSquid.com announced that John Law, one of the original three co-founders of Burning Man, has filed suit against his former partners Larry Harvey and Michael Michael over the ownership of the Burning Man name, image, and likeness. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laughing Squid &#187; Weird America&#8217;s Video of HELCO from Burning Man 1996</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-87216</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing Squid &#187; Weird America&#8217;s Video of HELCO from Burning Man 1996</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So all this talk of John Law and Burning Man history has prompted Chuck Cirino to dig through his massive Burning Man video archives. He just posted an amazing video of the SEEMEN performance of HELCO from Burning Man 1996 that was produced by Kal Spelletich. This was a legendary point on the Burning Man timeline and one of the highlights of John Law&#8217;s involvement with the event, taking place the last year he was an organizer, right before all &#8220;hell broke loose&#8221;.   tags: Burning Man (T) , video (T) , SEEMEN (T) , Chuck Cirino (T) , Kal Spelletich (T) , John Law (T) , Weird America (T) , HELCO (T)   submit to StumbleUpon    Comments RSS feed &#124; Trackback URL [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So all this talk of John Law and Burning Man history has prompted Chuck Cirino to dig through his massive Burning Man video archives. He just posted an amazing video of the SEEMEN performance of HELCO from Burning Man 1996 that was produced by Kal Spelletich. This was a legendary point on the Burning Man timeline and one of the highlights of John Law&#8217;s involvement with the event, taking place the last year he was an organizer, right before all &#8220;hell broke loose&#8221;.   tags: Burning Man (T) , video (T) , SEEMEN (T) , Chuck Cirino (T) , Kal Spelletich (T) , John Law (T) , Weird America (T) , HELCO (T)   submit to StumbleUpon    Comments RSS feed | Trackback URL [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weird America &#187; Weird America - Helco at Burning Man 1996</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-87201</link>
		<dc:creator>Weird America &#187; Weird America - Helco at Burning Man 1996</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott Beale at LaughingSquid.com also has details concerning a new Burning Man development which could affect the future of Burning Man. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scott Beale at LaughingSquid.com also has details concerning a new Burning Man development which could affect the future of Burning Man. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laughing Squid &#187; Newsweek Covers Burning Man Name Dispute</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-87129</link>
		<dc:creator>Laughing Squid &#187; Newsweek Covers Burning Man Name Dispute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Newsweek published article by Jessica Bennett today about John Law&#8217;s recent lawsuit regarding the name &#8220;Burning Man&#8221;: &#8220;Heart Burn&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Newsweek published article by Jessica Bennett today about John Law&#8217;s recent lawsuit regarding the name &#8220;Burning Man&#8221;: &#8220;Heart Burn&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Deep</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-86848</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Deep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who goes to Burning Man anymore ?

you lived, you learned, and hopefully . .</description>
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<p>you lived, you learned, and hopefully . .</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Party in the desert or not, any LLC venture demands that some person(s) are legally responsible for what goes on. That&#039;s a big responsibility I surely do not envy. Tensions will inheritly ebb and flow. If the big burn isn&#039;t jiving anymore, there&#039;s a gajillion regionals that are (on a lesse scale) just as fantastic to endure. 


Change is the only constant - AnnaMaul93</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party in the desert or not, any LLC venture demands that some person(s) are legally responsible for what goes on. That&#8217;s a big responsibility I surely do not envy. Tensions will inheritly ebb and flow. If the big burn isn&#8217;t jiving anymore, there&#8217;s a gajillion regionals that are (on a lesse scale) just as fantastic to endure. </p>
<p>Change is the only constant &#8211; AnnaMaul93</p>
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		<title>By: Storyteller</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/john-law-sues-his-former-burning-man-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-85645</link>
		<dc:creator>Storyteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things here: First I see &quot;Cult of personality&quot; becoming a cache phrase in every post regarding this issue. Very, very few of the posts I have read on any of the forums regarding this issue has been in direct personal attack or defense of any of the 3 parties involved. I see a lot of approval and disapproval for the ideas that each of the 3 parties express, but no (or very little) hero worship on any side. People are not speaking out to hold JL, LH or M2 as gods...they are speaking out on the issues themselves. You&#039;ll find a lot of &quot;Great to see you take a stand John&quot; and similar, but most go on from there to state why they are in personal agreement on the issues, not the figurehead. Not to say that there is not a lot of speculation as &quot;Who is to blame&quot; for such a great disturbance in the Force...but even the most emotional seem to stay pertainant to the issues at hand rather than smearing people personally.
And there is that. You worry about the future of Burning Man...stop worrying about &quot;What this says to the world about our community&quot; and start worrying about this wound that is ailing us all. Love brothers and sisters...Love to JL, LH, M2, and all who are suffering through these growing pains. They have each showed us Love for many many years...let&#039;s not forget that now.

As for who owns the idea of standing naked and purified before our Brother Fire, gathered in an undifferentiated mass of Love, Understanding and Vision...well...Woe to the man who thinks he can tame the wild Spirit which we have worked so hard to keep in the face of worse than this ;)

And above all else, remember that that is what is at the core of Burning Man. Burning Man is the culmination of a half million screams. Every year tens of thousands of people make their way to the desert to drop to their knees and at last let go of the shattered pieces that were once their lives in one soul searing scream...and allow the healing energy we create together to rebuild those pieces with a little meaning. A scream that holds all of the pain, hope fear, anger, hopelessness, despair, and frustration that is what it means to be Human. Trademark that.

Life (TM)

Love brothers and sisters. That&#039;s what began this. And that is what will fix this.

Love and Respect
The Storyteller</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things here: First I see &#8220;Cult of personality&#8221; becoming a cache phrase in every post regarding this issue. Very, very few of the posts I have read on any of the forums regarding this issue has been in direct personal attack or defense of any of the 3 parties involved. I see a lot of approval and disapproval for the ideas that each of the 3 parties express, but no (or very little) hero worship on any side. People are not speaking out to hold JL, LH or M2 as gods&#8230;they are speaking out on the issues themselves. You&#8217;ll find a lot of &#8220;Great to see you take a stand John&#8221; and similar, but most go on from there to state why they are in personal agreement on the issues, not the figurehead. Not to say that there is not a lot of speculation as &#8220;Who is to blame&#8221; for such a great disturbance in the Force&#8230;but even the most emotional seem to stay pertainant to the issues at hand rather than smearing people personally.<br />
And there is that. You worry about the future of Burning Man&#8230;stop worrying about &#8220;What this says to the world about our community&#8221; and start worrying about this wound that is ailing us all. Love brothers and sisters&#8230;Love to JL, LH, M2, and all who are suffering through these growing pains. They have each showed us Love for many many years&#8230;let&#8217;s not forget that now.</p>
<p>As for who owns the idea of standing naked and purified before our Brother Fire, gathered in an undifferentiated mass of Love, Understanding and Vision&#8230;well&#8230;Woe to the man who thinks he can tame the wild Spirit which we have worked so hard to keep in the face of worse than this ;)</p>
<p>And above all else, remember that that is what is at the core of Burning Man. Burning Man is the culmination of a half million screams. Every year tens of thousands of people make their way to the desert to drop to their knees and at last let go of the shattered pieces that were once their lives in one soul searing scream&#8230;and allow the healing energy we create together to rebuild those pieces with a little meaning. A scream that holds all of the pain, hope fear, anger, hopelessness, despair, and frustration that is what it means to be Human. Trademark that.</p>
<p>Life (TM)</p>
<p>Love brothers and sisters. That&#8217;s what began this. And that is what will fix this.</p>
<p>Love and Respect<br />
The Storyteller</p>
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		<dc:creator>Laughing Squid &#187; Valleywag&#8217;s Coverage of EFF Sweet 16 Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many people were talking about that fact that both John Law and Michael Mikel were in attendance, considering the big Burning Man news that broke on Tuesday. Too bad Larry Harvey didn&#8217;t show up (he was at last year&#8217;s party). It would have been interesting to see the three of them having a conversation about the Burning Man lawsuit in a room full of attorneys. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many people were talking about that fact that both John Law and Michael Mikel were in attendance, considering the big Burning Man news that broke on Tuesday. Too bad Larry Harvey didn&#8217;t show up (he was at last year&#8217;s party). It would have been interesting to see the three of them having a conversation about the Burning Man lawsuit in a room full of attorneys. [...]</p>
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<p>A lot of news happened this week, especially in light of the CES (Consumer Electronics Show) in Las Vegas and MacWorld in San Francisco. In light of my past few days of watching both a nearly four year old (as my nephew likes to say) and a 8 month old &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œItâ€™s so empty, itâ€™s fullâ€ A small piece of history and a commendation for John Law.

Labor Day weekend, 1989. I, with my roommates P. Segal, Dawn Stott &amp; a mutual friend Cindy attended a wind sculpture event in the Black Rock desert sponsored by Planet X pottery in Gerlach Nevada. We hauled a lightweight mobile canopy bed (our sculpture) on top of a tiny sedan out to this remote, inhospitable area. The surreal local combined with mobile sculptures was both incredible and inspiring. That weekend was one that had a great &amp; lasting impact on my life. I never wanted to leave. The desert attracted &amp; stirred me, &amp; I knew I had to go back. 

Dawn once said â€œitâ€™s so empty itâ€™s fullâ€.

When I returned to the Bay Area &amp; started my final year in art school, I rallied a few friends &amp; schoolmates around the idea of planning a Labor Day weekend trip to the Black Rock desert. I had been reading Hakim Beyâ€™s â€œTemporary Autonomous Zoneâ€ &amp; his ideas struck a chord. At that time I was into the youthful notion of destroying parts (if not all) of my artwork as a meditation on impermanence &amp; the importance of flexibility.  These concepts fused into a plan of generating a â€œcreative incidentâ€ in the Black Rock desert with a central theme, the ritual destruction &amp; immolation of both structures &amp; artwork (a lager manifestation of the â€œmeditation on impermanence &amp; the importance of flexibilityâ€). For an impoverished, young &amp; naive art student, this vision seemed far too grand &amp; expensive to accomplish alone. I decided to present the scheme to my good friend John Law (whom I had met through my involvement in The San Francisco Cacophony Society) and that was when the idea for â€œZone trip 4, Bad day at Black Rockâ€ was officially hatched as a cacophony event. I approached this individual because I sincerely considered he was (&amp; is) person of great veracity &amp; he would respect and lend a hand in my somewhat delusional concept. I was correct in my impulse &amp; the event was to happen. Along the way, a few months from the target date of the Zone trip, I attended the Baker beach burn of the Burning man. Fortunately, (via the intervention of both the San Francisco police &amp; fire departments) the monolithic figurine was not razed. Amidst chants of â€œburn it anyway!â€ and pagan-like drumming, a few of us cacophonist including Miss P. &amp; Dawn thought it would be a great idea to invite Larry &amp; his man along for our strange ride out to the Black Rock. If anything, he had the biggest, most expensive &amp; elaborate piece of firewood that would make a glorious conflagration. It was a magnificent, awe-inspiring weekend. I would return and participate for the next 4 years, 1995 being my last year. (In all, 6 years every Labor day)

The event morphed from a Cacophony event into Burning man. In my opinion, it eventually got too big, supercilious &amp; aloof. It had lost its soul (For me at least) &amp; I felt a profound need to no longer contribute or attend. A year later, after the disastrous 1996 event, John and a few other key participants would renounce. In following years, other members of â€œthe old guardâ€ would trickle away for (I believe) similar reasons. This is not to diminish the importance of what others have contributed &amp; experienced in the years since. The event is what one makes of it &amp; I know countless have had their own, life changing occurrences in that desert. Since 1996 Iâ€™ve silently watched in admiration as numerous fresh &amp; astonishing examples of creativity debut on the playa. Iâ€™m delighted to know that so many have had that same â€œfeelingâ€ I did Labor Day weekend so long ago.

This is severely circumcised history of my experience, but I feel I needed to regurgitate further the early conception of that desert â€œartâ€ festival. A more concise history may be found in Brian Dohertyâ€™s â€œThis is Burning manâ€.

That said, I wish to wholeheartedly express my support of John Law &amp; his decision to go forward with his current legal actions. In the 20 or so years that I have know this man, he has been a wonderful and loyal friend, part of my family (he was the minister at my wedding) and an individual of great integrity. He has brought countless invaluable, â€œeye openingâ€ &amp; enriching experience to my life &amp; the lifeâ€™s of many others. In short, I would not be who I am today without him. For that I am forever grateful.


-Kevin Charles Evans
January 12, 2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œItâ€™s so empty, itâ€™s fullâ€ A small piece of history and a commendation for John Law.</p>
<p>Labor Day weekend, 1989. I, with my roommates P. Segal, Dawn Stott &amp; a mutual friend Cindy attended a wind sculpture event in the Black Rock desert sponsored by Planet X pottery in Gerlach Nevada. We hauled a lightweight mobile canopy bed (our sculpture) on top of a tiny sedan out to this remote, inhospitable area. The surreal local combined with mobile sculptures was both incredible and inspiring. That weekend was one that had a great &amp; lasting impact on my life. I never wanted to leave. The desert attracted &amp; stirred me, &amp; I knew I had to go back. </p>
<p>Dawn once said â€œitâ€™s so empty itâ€™s fullâ€.</p>
<p>When I returned to the Bay Area &amp; started my final year in art school, I rallied a few friends &amp; schoolmates around the idea of planning a Labor Day weekend trip to the Black Rock desert. I had been reading Hakim Beyâ€™s â€œTemporary Autonomous Zoneâ€ &amp; his ideas struck a chord. At that time I was into the youthful notion of destroying parts (if not all) of my artwork as a meditation on impermanence &amp; the importance of flexibility.  These concepts fused into a plan of generating a â€œcreative incidentâ€ in the Black Rock desert with a central theme, the ritual destruction &amp; immolation of both structures &amp; artwork (a lager manifestation of the â€œmeditation on impermanence &amp; the importance of flexibilityâ€). For an impoverished, young &amp; naive art student, this vision seemed far too grand &amp; expensive to accomplish alone. I decided to present the scheme to my good friend John Law (whom I had met through my involvement in The San Francisco Cacophony Society) and that was when the idea for â€œZone trip 4, Bad day at Black Rockâ€ was officially hatched as a cacophony event. I approached this individual because I sincerely considered he was (&amp; is) person of great veracity &amp; he would respect and lend a hand in my somewhat delusional concept. I was correct in my impulse &amp; the event was to happen. Along the way, a few months from the target date of the Zone trip, I attended the Baker beach burn of the Burning man. Fortunately, (via the intervention of both the San Francisco police &amp; fire departments) the monolithic figurine was not razed. Amidst chants of â€œburn it anyway!â€ and pagan-like drumming, a few of us cacophonist including Miss P. &amp; Dawn thought it would be a great idea to invite Larry &amp; his man along for our strange ride out to the Black Rock. If anything, he had the biggest, most expensive &amp; elaborate piece of firewood that would make a glorious conflagration. It was a magnificent, awe-inspiring weekend. I would return and participate for the next 4 years, 1995 being my last year. (In all, 6 years every Labor day)</p>
<p>The event morphed from a Cacophony event into Burning man. In my opinion, it eventually got too big, supercilious &amp; aloof. It had lost its soul (For me at least) &amp; I felt a profound need to no longer contribute or attend. A year later, after the disastrous 1996 event, John and a few other key participants would renounce. In following years, other members of â€œthe old guardâ€ would trickle away for (I believe) similar reasons. This is not to diminish the importance of what others have contributed &amp; experienced in the years since. The event is what one makes of it &amp; I know countless have had their own, life changing occurrences in that desert. Since 1996 Iâ€™ve silently watched in admiration as numerous fresh &amp; astonishing examples of creativity debut on the playa. Iâ€™m delighted to know that so many have had that same â€œfeelingâ€ I did Labor Day weekend so long ago.</p>
<p>This is severely circumcised history of my experience, but I feel I needed to regurgitate further the early conception of that desert â€œartâ€ festival. A more concise history may be found in Brian Dohertyâ€™s â€œThis is Burning manâ€.</p>
<p>That said, I wish to wholeheartedly express my support of John Law &amp; his decision to go forward with his current legal actions. In the 20 or so years that I have know this man, he has been a wonderful and loyal friend, part of my family (he was the minister at my wedding) and an individual of great integrity. He has brought countless invaluable, â€œeye openingâ€ &amp; enriching experience to my life &amp; the lifeâ€™s of many others. In short, I would not be who I am today without him. For that I am forever grateful.</p>
<p>-Kevin Charles Evans<br />
January 12, 2007</p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well.... If you read the complaint it sure sounds to me like Harvey and Mikel are surely making some big bucks off of BM. I figured. It was too unlikely that all that money was going back into the event. That much money!! And Harvey sounds like a... well, not so pleasant a guy who pretty much pissed off Law, who started the whole thing and well, JL left the pack. I mean who wants to be around people that don&#039;t like him or who are mean to you all the time!? eh? 

then you have these guys, Harvey and Mikel making all this money and about to open up a big can of money making and that is where Law steps in and says, yo! Not without me getting a cut you ain&#039;t! 

So, there you have it. I think they should do whatever they want with it. Sell it, make money, whatever. But common, share the wealth you guys. 

As for myself. I would love to keep it for us all. I think we all should keep the opportunity to sell BM merchandise if we want to make it! I like the private domain way!

But seriously... I don&#039;t think that is what John Law wants. He wants money!

And Harvey is becoming an ass!

just my two cents...... but WHAT DO I KNOW!!! I just read the complaint, I don&#039;t know ANY of these guys.

: )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well&#8230;. If you read the complaint it sure sounds to me like Harvey and Mikel are surely making some big bucks off of BM. I figured. It was too unlikely that all that money was going back into the event. That much money!! And Harvey sounds like a&#8230; well, not so pleasant a guy who pretty much pissed off Law, who started the whole thing and well, JL left the pack. I mean who wants to be around people that don&#8217;t like him or who are mean to you all the time!? eh? </p>
<p>then you have these guys, Harvey and Mikel making all this money and about to open up a big can of money making and that is where Law steps in and says, yo! Not without me getting a cut you ain&#8217;t! </p>
<p>So, there you have it. I think they should do whatever they want with it. Sell it, make money, whatever. But common, share the wealth you guys. </p>
<p>As for myself. I would love to keep it for us all. I think we all should keep the opportunity to sell BM merchandise if we want to make it! I like the private domain way!</p>
<p>But seriously&#8230; I don&#8217;t think that is what John Law wants. He wants money!</p>
<p>And Harvey is becoming an ass!</p>
<p>just my two cents&#8230;&#8230; but WHAT DO I KNOW!!! I just read the complaint, I don&#8217;t know ANY of these guys.</p>
<p>: )</p>
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		<title>By: Jamey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this statement really proves is you actually shelled out money to Mel to watch Apocolypto, and you aren&#039;t afraid to let people know about it.

Care to address the actual issue?
------------------------
comment by Jonathan
on Wednesday, January 10th, 2007 at 11:52 am

And to the self-righteous â€œnativeâ€, your homies in Mexico were also yanking out about 20,000 beating hearts per year in order to appease the Godsâ€¦ youâ€™re not in the position to brag about much of anything, Chief Burning Junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this statement really proves is you actually shelled out money to Mel to watch Apocolypto, and you aren&#8217;t afraid to let people know about it.</p>
<p>Care to address the actual issue?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
comment by Jonathan<br />
on Wednesday, January 10th, 2007 at 11:52 am</p>
<p>And to the self-righteous â€œnativeâ€, your homies in Mexico were also yanking out about 20,000 beating hearts per year in order to appease the Godsâ€¦ youâ€™re not in the position to brag about much of anything, Chief Burning Junk.</p>
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		<title>By: teiwaz (aka camron)</title>
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		<dc:creator>teiwaz (aka camron)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to me to be something that started out as ideological disagreement among friends, which festered slowly over a few years - and then developed into a Major Spat among Big Egos.  It has degraded into a Big Pissing Contest, magnified by the Big Egos involved (Harvey, Micheal, Law) and unfortunately, lawyers. John is of more than commendable stature, as are Larry and Michael - I have (as most do) the *highest* regards for all of them as individuals.

As a &#039;movement&#039;, this devolved interaction of the &#039;founders&#039; becomes a lesson for the greater communities Burning Man has spawned. One of these lessons (or questions) is, &quot;What/Who do you identify with?&quot;, and/or &quot;What the fuck are you doing the rest of the year?&quot;, or &quot;How are you making a living knowing what you have learned?&quot; ? ?? ???

What more the recent discussion has spurred (through vocalized discontent, blind faith in the event, hero/idol worship, blog dissent, etc.) is of much greater gravity and learning opportunity for the &#039;movement&#039; upon which these communities thrive. I don&#039;t think this is so much about identity rights, or even money or corporate/intellectual property. I see it as another upswelling of discontent and growing pains in response to the greater (like it, dislike it, believe it, or not) corporate/manufactured culture, identity, and management structure formed in the translation of this beautiful experience into greater society.

&quot;Mainstreaming Pains&quot;, if you will.  A &quot;Mainstreaming Abortion&quot; we may need.

In trying to capture *and* produce this essentially Pagan connection with the Universe through an experience anchored to one week our of the year, the production of this event has taken on an almost unquestionable theocratic bureaucracy. A c**t of personalities, perhaps.

Questioning, discussing, and perhaps taking even legal action upon this major edifice is part of the greater shift to the next level. The next level being a strength in our connection and community building event production, decentralized manifestations of beauty, and becoming what we need to be - in time of climate change, global upheaval, war, peak oil, etc.

I find myself thankful for the work that John - and Larry and Michael! - have done and are doing by evolving through this situation in such an open way at this moment in history. It is an evolution we must all consider, and participate in - or else we poison the &#039;movement&#039; for future generations and cultural iterations.

I also find this to a *most* worthy discussion to be happening in the Year of the Green Man, aka the Year of the Pig. A time to dig down to the roots, devour all the shit, and get hog wild with changing of what exists and needs to be reformed. Leaping Ahead in a more connected and as a team and as intertwined communities, to a greater and impending pressing future. And yes, perhaps the Last Year.

So What? Why should you care?  Do to not be attached to the outcome, legal or otherwise. What you crave/need/desire to create will survive, and thrive!

I hope this deeper meaning, questioning, and strive for evolution reaches the outer most realms of society this phenomenon of Burning Man has enabled, created, and connected.

my (almost 10 years of experience in this scene adding up to nearly) $0.02,
teiwaz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to me to be something that started out as ideological disagreement among friends, which festered slowly over a few years &#8211; and then developed into a Major Spat among Big Egos.  It has degraded into a Big Pissing Contest, magnified by the Big Egos involved (Harvey, Micheal, Law) and unfortunately, lawyers. John is of more than commendable stature, as are Larry and Michael &#8211; I have (as most do) the *highest* regards for all of them as individuals.</p>
<p>As a &#8216;movement&#8217;, this devolved interaction of the &#8216;founders&#8217; becomes a lesson for the greater communities Burning Man has spawned. One of these lessons (or questions) is, &#8220;What/Who do you identify with?&#8221;, and/or &#8220;What the fuck are you doing the rest of the year?&#8221;, or &#8220;How are you making a living knowing what you have learned?&#8221; ? ?? ???</p>
<p>What more the recent discussion has spurred (through vocalized discontent, blind faith in the event, hero/idol worship, blog dissent, etc.) is of much greater gravity and learning opportunity for the &#8216;movement&#8217; upon which these communities thrive. I don&#8217;t think this is so much about identity rights, or even money or corporate/intellectual property. I see it as another upswelling of discontent and growing pains in response to the greater (like it, dislike it, believe it, or not) corporate/manufactured culture, identity, and management structure formed in the translation of this beautiful experience into greater society.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mainstreaming Pains&#8221;, if you will.  A &#8220;Mainstreaming Abortion&#8221; we may need.</p>
<p>In trying to capture *and* produce this essentially Pagan connection with the Universe through an experience anchored to one week our of the year, the production of this event has taken on an almost unquestionable theocratic bureaucracy. A c**t of personalities, perhaps.</p>
<p>Questioning, discussing, and perhaps taking even legal action upon this major edifice is part of the greater shift to the next level. The next level being a strength in our connection and community building event production, decentralized manifestations of beauty, and becoming what we need to be &#8211; in time of climate change, global upheaval, war, peak oil, etc.</p>
<p>I find myself thankful for the work that John &#8211; and Larry and Michael! &#8211; have done and are doing by evolving through this situation in such an open way at this moment in history. It is an evolution we must all consider, and participate in &#8211; or else we poison the &#8216;movement&#8217; for future generations and cultural iterations.</p>
<p>I also find this to a *most* worthy discussion to be happening in the Year of the Green Man, aka the Year of the Pig. A time to dig down to the roots, devour all the shit, and get hog wild with changing of what exists and needs to be reformed. Leaping Ahead in a more connected and as a team and as intertwined communities, to a greater and impending pressing future. And yes, perhaps the Last Year.</p>
<p>So What? Why should you care?  Do to not be attached to the outcome, legal or otherwise. What you crave/need/desire to create will survive, and thrive!</p>
<p>I hope this deeper meaning, questioning, and strive for evolution reaches the outer most realms of society this phenomenon of Burning Man has enabled, created, and connected.</p>
<p>my (almost 10 years of experience in this scene adding up to nearly) $0.02,<br />
teiwaz</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!  I just got and email regarding the &#039;right to the burning man name&#039; issue.  Can you people stop with the catty bullshit and just let the people who have helped make your event the incredible thing that it is and who poor their fucking heart and sole into a once year event that helps them believe that there is a better existence out there for us all.   Don&#039;t kill this for the people who still believe in this.  Drop this bullshit with the assholes who think Burning Man is dead.  We are sick of these self-ritious douchedags who claim that Burning Man is dead.    It&#039;s not dead, it&#039;s different.  It grew, like everything else on this planet.  Everything changes.  You can either change with it or fuck off!  If you decide you want to fuck off, then do it, but keep your mouth shut and let the people who still belive in it, enjoy it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!  I just got and email regarding the &#8216;right to the burning man name&#8217; issue.  Can you people stop with the catty bullshit and just let the people who have helped make your event the incredible thing that it is and who poor their fucking heart and sole into a once year event that helps them believe that there is a better existence out there for us all.   Don&#8217;t kill this for the people who still believe in this.  Drop this bullshit with the assholes who think Burning Man is dead.  We are sick of these self-ritious douchedags who claim that Burning Man is dead.    It&#8217;s not dead, it&#8217;s different.  It grew, like everything else on this planet.  Everything changes.  You can either change with it or fuck off!  If you decide you want to fuck off, then do it, but keep your mouth shut and let the people who still belive in it, enjoy it!</p>
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