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		<title>By: Harry tompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry tompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I agree with Caleb/shooter.  It&#039;s true.  Very true.  The way that this event is now there is no reason for the Org not to have workmans comp.  a somewhat decent wage and so forth.   Those people, despite the hooliganism, work their asses off and should be compensated accordingly.  Those idiots that came out of the BM office, don&#039;t know them, never saw them.  

It&#039;s a very important issue and a valid one.  The days of volunteerism is coming to an end unless your a Newbie and want to join in on the ranks.  (unfortunately, there is no short supply) Wow, sort of reminds me of the hippies back in the 60&#039;s getting in on whatever act.  Anyway,  Volunteer means sucker at this point.  In the beginning as with all things, sure we volunteered and participated.  We wanted to get this thing off the ground and do it!  Now, hey its floating and so should the LLC meet the workers needs.    I only do it because I enjoy being with my crew.  Definetly not for the money which is little mind you or the ORG.  And not for Larry Harvey either!  The other thing is that most of the workers who do get paid really fucking enjoy this whole crazy mess and stick by each other thru thick and thin and just want to keep doing it.  It&#039;s a lifestyle, but they need to support themselves somewhat even though it may be seasonal.   The org do &quot;burn&quot; a lot people, and that&#039;s what pisses everybody off.  They use their skills and ingenuity and once somebody either screws up or gets burned out, they say Saynora and move on  without batting an eye!  And yes, everyone wants to get noticed for the work they did.  &quot;Hey Dad, Mom, look what I did!&quot;..........&quot;Yes, dear, that was nice.   Now could you get on with it and move out of the house!&quot;  Yeah, a lot of people just want to feel appreciated.  But hey, we are also a tough bunch and have the mantra of &quot;quit your F*ing whining&quot;  Your here to push yourself to the limit and love it.  Builds character!  So we fluctuate between being a bad ass and not being taken for granted.  Carry on Caleb/Shooter/Fidel/Chobber!

H.T.

H.T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I agree with Caleb/shooter.  It&#8217;s true.  Very true.  The way that this event is now there is no reason for the Org not to have workmans comp.  a somewhat decent wage and so forth.   Those people, despite the hooliganism, work their asses off and should be compensated accordingly.  Those idiots that came out of the BM office, don&#8217;t know them, never saw them.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very important issue and a valid one.  The days of volunteerism is coming to an end unless your a Newbie and want to join in on the ranks.  (unfortunately, there is no short supply) Wow, sort of reminds me of the hippies back in the 60&#8217;s getting in on whatever act.  Anyway,  Volunteer means sucker at this point.  In the beginning as with all things, sure we volunteered and participated.  We wanted to get this thing off the ground and do it!  Now, hey its floating and so should the LLC meet the workers needs.    I only do it because I enjoy being with my crew.  Definetly not for the money which is little mind you or the ORG.  And not for Larry Harvey either!  The other thing is that most of the workers who do get paid really fucking enjoy this whole crazy mess and stick by each other thru thick and thin and just want to keep doing it.  It&#8217;s a lifestyle, but they need to support themselves somewhat even though it may be seasonal.   The org do &#8220;burn&#8221; a lot people, and that&#8217;s what pisses everybody off.  They use their skills and ingenuity and once somebody either screws up or gets burned out, they say Saynora and move on  without batting an eye!  And yes, everyone wants to get noticed for the work they did.  &#8220;Hey Dad, Mom, look what I did!&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;Yes, dear, that was nice.   Now could you get on with it and move out of the house!&#8221;  Yeah, a lot of people just want to feel appreciated.  But hey, we are also a tough bunch and have the mantra of &#8220;quit your F*ing whining&#8221;  Your here to push yourself to the limit and love it.  Builds character!  So we fluctuate between being a bad ass and not being taken for granted.  Carry on Caleb/Shooter/Fidel/Chobber!</p>
<p>H.T.</p>
<p>H.T.</p>
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		<title>By: marisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 05:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these burning man people remind me of Scientologist bullies! i feel sorry for the workers that have to be scared to talk, i mean to me burning man is just a giant drugfest hidden behind art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these burning man people remind me of Scientologist bullies! i feel sorry for the workers that have to be scared to talk, i mean to me burning man is just a giant drugfest hidden behind art.</p>
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		<title>By: Linker Barn: July 24, 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linker Barn: July 24, 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Burning Man workers protest Burning Man protesters. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SierraNightTide</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/burning-man-protest-protested-by-burning-man-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-211609</link>
		<dc:creator>SierraNightTide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Damn Hippies! They say they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.&quot; - South Park

:P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Damn Hippies! They say they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.&#8221; &#8211; South Park</p>
<p>:P</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kopit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kopit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three-headed monkeys eat thrice as much.</description>
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		<title>By: THAT Andi</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/burning-man-protest-protested-by-burning-man-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-166862</link>
		<dc:creator>THAT Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time of the protest there was over 100 Regional Contacts inside the BM office totally pumped up after our first day of our first ever summit. Before the protest there were rumors about it flying around, many of us thought it was a joke, something concocted for our amusement. As the protest started everyone was confused as to what it was all about.

I have to admit I was in the corner conference room with all of the others laughing and watching the protest. None of us knew what it was about, we were all having a lot of fun with it in the BM spirit. Some RCs went down there to have fun or participate, or &quot;counter-demonstrate&quot; as you call it, but it was all in fun. My favorite sign was Tall Tom (an RC from upstate NY) holding up a &quot;NO SPECTATORS&quot; sign for all of us looking down from above.

If they wanted to have a more serious protest maybe they shouldn&#039;t have done it when there were 100-150 RCs in the building. RCs tend to be quite loyal to BRC LLC mainly because Regionals are building community, supporting interactive art, and building local organizations much as BRC LLC has done and is doing. We have learned a LOT from them and they are learning a LOT from us. There is no hierarchal control (from BRC LLC to Regionals) as some of you fantasize about but there is a LOT of cross pollination and a LOT of respect paid.

THAT Andi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time of the protest there was over 100 Regional Contacts inside the BM office totally pumped up after our first day of our first ever summit. Before the protest there were rumors about it flying around, many of us thought it was a joke, something concocted for our amusement. As the protest started everyone was confused as to what it was all about.</p>
<p>I have to admit I was in the corner conference room with all of the others laughing and watching the protest. None of us knew what it was about, we were all having a lot of fun with it in the BM spirit. Some RCs went down there to have fun or participate, or &#8220;counter-demonstrate&#8221; as you call it, but it was all in fun. My favorite sign was Tall Tom (an RC from upstate NY) holding up a &#8220;NO SPECTATORS&#8221; sign for all of us looking down from above.</p>
<p>If they wanted to have a more serious protest maybe they shouldn&#8217;t have done it when there were 100-150 RCs in the building. RCs tend to be quite loyal to BRC LLC mainly because Regionals are building community, supporting interactive art, and building local organizations much as BRC LLC has done and is doing. We have learned a LOT from them and they are learning a LOT from us. There is no hierarchal control (from BRC LLC to Regionals) as some of you fantasize about but there is a LOT of cross pollination and a LOT of respect paid.</p>
<p>THAT Andi</p>
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		<title>By: datenschmutz.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>datenschmutz.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Burning Man protestiert gegen Burning Man...&lt;/strong&gt;

 	Bizarrer politischer Bericht der Woche, Sparte &#8220;Demo vs. Gegendemo&#8221;: Laughing Squid hat ein Video, das Burning Man Festival-Mitarbeiter zeigt (3 an der Zahl), die vor dem Burning Man B&#252;ro gegen unterbezahlte Arbeit protestieren.
&amp;#82...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Burning Man protestiert gegen Burning Man&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> 	Bizarrer politischer Bericht der Woche, Sparte &#8220;Demo vs. Gegendemo&#8221;: Laughing Squid hat ein Video, das Burning Man Festival-Mitarbeiter zeigt (3 an der Zahl), die vor dem Burning Man B&#252;ro gegen unterbezahlte Arbeit protestieren.<br />
&amp;#82&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Bibbit</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/burning-man-protest-protested-by-burning-man-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-140068</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Bibbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burning Man has ALWAYS been a corporate event, which is something that habituees of the event steadfastly deny even in light of these recent events.  You pay money to a corporate body that setups, maintains, and breaks down the area. Its organized, controlled, and someone is there to collect money. Thats a corporate event kids. The fact that attendees have been forking over ticket money under the mistaken belief that they were participating in some &quot;be in&quot; is their mistake. I find it amazing how strong is the Gen X need for their version of the &quot;60s&quot;. Kids Burning Man is Woodstock wannabee. Dropping acid , painting yourself blue, and wandering around drooling in some alleged form of personal expression is okay I suppose BUT its not going to give you your &quot;Age of Aquarius&quot;. Stick with the jam band scene. At least it isn&#039;t nearly as pretentious as is Burning Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burning Man has ALWAYS been a corporate event, which is something that habituees of the event steadfastly deny even in light of these recent events.  You pay money to a corporate body that setups, maintains, and breaks down the area. Its organized, controlled, and someone is there to collect money. Thats a corporate event kids. The fact that attendees have been forking over ticket money under the mistaken belief that they were participating in some &#8220;be in&#8221; is their mistake. I find it amazing how strong is the Gen X need for their version of the &#8220;60s&#8221;. Kids Burning Man is Woodstock wannabee. Dropping acid , painting yourself blue, and wandering around drooling in some alleged form of personal expression is okay I suppose BUT its not going to give you your &#8220;Age of Aquarius&#8221;. Stick with the jam band scene. At least it isn&#8217;t nearly as pretentious as is Burning Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/burning-man-protest-protested-by-burning-man-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-137181</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people who are whistle blowers have a grudge against the corporation they work for.  The point here is that Burning Man is now a large theatrical production, akin to a haunted house or other participatory theater event.  They are a legal entity that has a large impact on our economy and the culture.  This is a big responsibility.

It seems that there are legitimate concerns about their labor practices and treatment of workers.  This is not the kind of thing an organization should try to sidestep.  If this is the first time these concerns have been raised, they should confront them in public, through a public process.  Any organization that has workers needs to abide by a minimum code of ethics and standards because they are responsible for the health and wellbeing of their peopleâ€”independent contractor or not.

Any time you have this many people participating in an event, bad things will happen.  That is not the problem.  The problem arises when the organization responsible for the infrastructure of the event handles these bad things in an immoral way.  It seems that there is enough information, based on the above comments, to warrant further investigation of the labor practices of Burning Man.

The event is very fun, and the majority of the people are good folks who want to have a good time.  Burning Man (the organization) shouldn&#039;t create an environment where worker injuries, workplace safety issues, unfair pay and unfair employment practices interfere with the running of a healthy culture/business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people who are whistle blowers have a grudge against the corporation they work for.  The point here is that Burning Man is now a large theatrical production, akin to a haunted house or other participatory theater event.  They are a legal entity that has a large impact on our economy and the culture.  This is a big responsibility.</p>
<p>It seems that there are legitimate concerns about their labor practices and treatment of workers.  This is not the kind of thing an organization should try to sidestep.  If this is the first time these concerns have been raised, they should confront them in public, through a public process.  Any organization that has workers needs to abide by a minimum code of ethics and standards because they are responsible for the health and wellbeing of their peopleâ€”independent contractor or not.</p>
<p>Any time you have this many people participating in an event, bad things will happen.  That is not the problem.  The problem arises when the organization responsible for the infrastructure of the event handles these bad things in an immoral way.  It seems that there is enough information, based on the above comments, to warrant further investigation of the labor practices of Burning Man.</p>
<p>The event is very fun, and the majority of the people are good folks who want to have a good time.  Burning Man (the organization) shouldn&#8217;t create an environment where worker injuries, workplace safety issues, unfair pay and unfair employment practices interfere with the running of a healthy culture/business.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the moral of the story is that protestors are, generally, ineffectual idiots.  If they were not ineffectual idiots, then they would be doing something that actually solves the problem instead of blocking traffic and causing noise pollution.  The only time protestors are effective is if they actually represent a significant (in numbers and political importance) portion of the population; e.g. civil rights protests, million man, etc.

I&#039;m not saying they don&#039;t have the right to do it; they certainly do.  I&#039;m just saying that it serves no purpose other than providing some sort of warm fuzzy feeling to the protestors because they can enjoy the illusion of actually accomplishing something.

And did Ralph Nader say WHICH working people?  Last I checked, billionaires were working people too.  So keep driving your gas-guzzlers to Black Rock,  and bring your diesel generators and propane tanks because Chevron, Exxon et al needs your support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the moral of the story is that protestors are, generally, ineffectual idiots.  If they were not ineffectual idiots, then they would be doing something that actually solves the problem instead of blocking traffic and causing noise pollution.  The only time protestors are effective is if they actually represent a significant (in numbers and political importance) portion of the population; e.g. civil rights protests, million man, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they don&#8217;t have the right to do it; they certainly do.  I&#8217;m just saying that it serves no purpose other than providing some sort of warm fuzzy feeling to the protestors because they can enjoy the illusion of actually accomplishing something.</p>
<p>And did Ralph Nader say WHICH working people?  Last I checked, billionaires were working people too.  So keep driving your gas-guzzlers to Black Rock,  and bring your diesel generators and propane tanks because Chevron, Exxon et al needs your support!</p>
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		<title>By: MonaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the irony. Doesn&#039;t all this prove that BM is nothing more than a corporate event which is something they have denied being all along ? 
This is a classic management worker battle despite the insistence of many festival goers that BM is some type of blissful, neo-hippy commune that is superior to all forms of existence. Get real. Its just an extension of adolescence paid for by daddy&#039;s credit cards so you can avoid taking on responsibilities commensuareat with being an ADULT !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the irony. Doesn&#8217;t all this prove that BM is nothing more than a corporate event which is something they have denied being all along ?<br />
This is a classic management worker battle despite the insistence of many festival goers that BM is some type of blissful, neo-hippy commune that is superior to all forms of existence. Get real. Its just an extension of adolescence paid for by daddy&#8217;s credit cards so you can avoid taking on responsibilities commensuareat with being an ADULT !</p>
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		<title>By: B u r n l o g &#187; DPW Protesters Protested By Burning Man Protesters</title>
		<link>http://laughingsquid.com/burning-man-protest-protested-by-burning-man-protesters/comment-page-1/#comment-115678</link>
		<dc:creator>B u r n l o g &#187; DPW Protesters Protested By Burning Man Protesters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Laughing Squid reported this strange event at the Burning Man office in S.F. from Feb. 18, 2007. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gem Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gem Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hell with Caleb and his brownbagged retards. 
Three people does not a protest make.
He is a rabid dog employed by John Law and 
should be treated as such.
Go to the BurningMan tribe to find out 
the pathetic ego that this man has .
Gem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hell with Caleb and his brownbagged retards.<br />
Three people does not a protest make.<br />
He is a rabid dog employed by John Law and<br />
should be treated as such.<br />
Go to the BurningMan tribe to find out<br />
the pathetic ego that this man has .<br />
Gem</p>
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		<title>By: cowboyangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboyangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In The Know, Ralph Nader once told a graduating class of law students, the highest thing they could do for society was to work for justice and better conditions for working people. That is an activity that requires one to go outside sometime, and even hold a sign on the street. If there&#039;s a problem and no one talks about it, there&#039;s no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In The Know, Ralph Nader once told a graduating class of law students, the highest thing they could do for society was to work for justice and better conditions for working people. That is an activity that requires one to go outside sometime, and even hold a sign on the street. If there&#8217;s a problem and no one talks about it, there&#8217;s no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Putz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Putz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;(that was not a dalmatian with a poodleâ€™s head glued on, that was Jackie, my friend and recently shorn poodle wearing her neoprene chest warmer.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;(that was not a dalmatian with a poodleâ€™s head glued on, that was Jackie, my friend and recently shorn poodle wearing her neoprene chest warmer.)</p>
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		<title>By: In the Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;discussion&quot; sucks.  Mostly people who have no idea what they&#039;re talking about bashing (or defending) things they&#039;re so far removed from, they can&#039;t possibly make an informed argument either way.  &quot;I heard this&quot;, &quot;so and so did that&quot;, &quot;Borg is rich and run by corporate assholes&quot;, it&#039;s the same crap all the time, and it seems to never get old to you guys.  Why don&#039;t you all quit bitching and actually do something with your lives.  The squeaky wheel makes the front page.  The person working their ass of quietly in the corner turns a small beach gathering into an incredibly intricate to produce, progressive, challenging, AND culturally significant world-reaching event that does it&#039;s best to maintain it&#039;s integrity in a world where it seems everyone wants everyone else to fail.  I think Jello Biafra said it best once:

&quot;But what can one of us do?
Against all that money and power trying to crush us into roaches...

We won&#039;t destroy society in a day
Until we change ourselves first from the inside out
You can start, by not lying so much 
and treating other people like dirt
it&#039;s so easy not to base our lives on how much we can stand
you know it feels go to lift that monkey of our backs&quot;

So keep this in mind: 

Caleb&#039;s an asshole, but is also articulate and poignant
The Borg has flaws and does their best in the face of everything
If you go to Burning Man to be cool, you took the wrong bus
There&#039;s always gonna be problems, maybe try help instead of pointing fingers
Pushing always causes a reaction. From the Borg, this reaction is almost always positive; change will happen, things take time
No, I don&#039;t work there
Get up off your lazy blog and go outside!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;discussion&#8221; sucks.  Mostly people who have no idea what they&#8217;re talking about bashing (or defending) things they&#8217;re so far removed from, they can&#8217;t possibly make an informed argument either way.  &#8220;I heard this&#8221;, &#8220;so and so did that&#8221;, &#8220;Borg is rich and run by corporate assholes&#8221;, it&#8217;s the same crap all the time, and it seems to never get old to you guys.  Why don&#8217;t you all quit bitching and actually do something with your lives.  The squeaky wheel makes the front page.  The person working their ass of quietly in the corner turns a small beach gathering into an incredibly intricate to produce, progressive, challenging, AND culturally significant world-reaching event that does it&#8217;s best to maintain it&#8217;s integrity in a world where it seems everyone wants everyone else to fail.  I think Jello Biafra said it best once:</p>
<p>&#8220;But what can one of us do?<br />
Against all that money and power trying to crush us into roaches&#8230;</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t destroy society in a day<br />
Until we change ourselves first from the inside out<br />
You can start, by not lying so much<br />
and treating other people like dirt<br />
it&#8217;s so easy not to base our lives on how much we can stand<br />
you know it feels go to lift that monkey of our backs&#8221;</p>
<p>So keep this in mind: </p>
<p>Caleb&#8217;s an asshole, but is also articulate and poignant<br />
The Borg has flaws and does their best in the face of everything<br />
If you go to Burning Man to be cool, you took the wrong bus<br />
There&#8217;s always gonna be problems, maybe try help instead of pointing fingers<br />
Pushing always causes a reaction. From the Borg, this reaction is almost always positive; change will happen, things take time<br />
No, I don&#8217;t work there<br />
Get up off your lazy blog and go outside!!</p>
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		<title>By: cowboyangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboyangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jablowmee, I think your post speaks the best to what really is going on here. I am the guy, btw, who filmed this thing, (that was not a dalmatian with a poodle&#039;s head glued on, that was Jackie, my friend and recently shorn poodle wearing her neoprene chest warmer.)

The video is still sparking alot of interest, as of Feb21 6:30pm pst it&#039;s gotten about 4718 views and still going strong. I have to say, I&#039;m a bit dismayed at all the personal attack going on around this especially at the protesters. They were sincere and plan follow up efforts. Burning Man is rapidly moving towards some interesting changes, and greater respect for its workforce is one of those.
Hey visit, http://bpathvideo.blogspot.com too....lsquid copied my code from there, but&#039;s ok. My site has alot of interesting videos as well.

cowboyangel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jablowmee, I think your post speaks the best to what really is going on here. I am the guy, btw, who filmed this thing, (that was not a dalmatian with a poodle&#8217;s head glued on, that was Jackie, my friend and recently shorn poodle wearing her neoprene chest warmer.)</p>
<p>The video is still sparking alot of interest, as of Feb21 6:30pm pst it&#8217;s gotten about 4718 views and still going strong. I have to say, I&#8217;m a bit dismayed at all the personal attack going on around this especially at the protesters. They were sincere and plan follow up efforts. Burning Man is rapidly moving towards some interesting changes, and greater respect for its workforce is one of those.<br />
Hey visit, <a href="http://bpathvideo.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://bpathvideo.blogspot.com</a> too&#8230;.lsquid copied my code from there, but&#8217;s ok. My site has alot of interesting videos as well.</p>
<p>cowboyangel</p>
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		<title>By: Haywood Jablowmee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haywood Jablowmee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. I can&#039;t print my real name.
I work for Burning Man. I would most likely be fired if they knew my identity. The squeaky wheel gets the ax.

I do believe that the Borg are generally a caring bunch of people, but I also know that they don&#039;t take criticism well. And well, they do make errors in judgment at times. And, fuck yeah, they could take much, much better care of their workers. They are not wholey evil, but they are pretty fucked sometimes.

I will go through and respond in order to the comments already written.

No, there was not an outbreak of dysentary, but there was a serious outbreak of what was in all likelihood a norovirus. I had it. Almost everyone I know that was working got it. Not just DPW -- all departments. Some people got it repeatedly. It was scary. It would have been a crisis if it hadn&#039;t more-or-less burnt itself out. Our medics coudn&#039;t have dealt with a city of 40,000 people vommiting and shitting. Emergency services were on it and handled it well. And no it was not food related. Our commisary takes good care of us.

Yes, we could use more sanitizer and hand washing stations. That would have helped.

Yes, Burning Man has cut workers pay. I don&#039;t know if it was two, three, or four years ago, but the clean up crew used to get paid $75 a day for a shitty days work. Now they get $45 a day. That really sucks. Attendance increases every year. Ticket prices have increased. The Borg&#039;s profits have increased. What gives?

I&#039;m glad Caleb is bringing all of this to peoples&#039; attention. Yeah, maybe he has an ax to grind, but that doesn&#039;t make what he was saying untrue. He also has a ton of friends that still work for BM that are glad he&#039;s speaking up, because they/we can&#039;t. Someone declared the woman in the bag a coward for not showing her face. She can&#039;t afford to show her face if she wants to work again. Someone also wrote her off as Caleb&#039;s girlfriend. I know for a fact the she worked DPW last year and lives with two other BM workers. The other guy that someone claimed had nothing to do with DPW worked for BM years ago and injured his back on the job. He claims that Burning Man did absolutely nothing for him. He will never work for Burning Man again, but he was protesting for his friends that work there every year.

It is illegal that BM does not provide workers comp. for volunteers. It is illegal that may of the jobs performed by DPW (and other crews) don&#039;t come anywhere close to meeting OSHA standards.

It&#039;s not illegal, merely a shame that BM feeds people while they work (some people that are on playa for a month before the event) and then stops feeding them during the event. They have to fend for themselves. When are they supposed to get supplies? And is that any way to show appreciation to someone that has just given you a month of their life?

Sure BM couldn&#039;t happen w/o volunteers. All the more reason to treat them right.

Tonja, you have no idea. There is no way that a city of 40,00 people could be run all volunteer. I&#039;m glad your little regional can work that way. We can&#039;t. Work sober? We do. Don&#039;t speak of which you know nothing about. The death waiver is inappropriate (and I think illegal) for workers and volunteers.

Thanks, Caleb et. al for speaking up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. I can&#8217;t print my real name.<br />
I work for Burning Man. I would most likely be fired if they knew my identity. The squeaky wheel gets the ax.</p>
<p>I do believe that the Borg are generally a caring bunch of people, but I also know that they don&#8217;t take criticism well. And well, they do make errors in judgment at times. And, fuck yeah, they could take much, much better care of their workers. They are not wholey evil, but they are pretty fucked sometimes.</p>
<p>I will go through and respond in order to the comments already written.</p>
<p>No, there was not an outbreak of dysentary, but there was a serious outbreak of what was in all likelihood a norovirus. I had it. Almost everyone I know that was working got it. Not just DPW &#8212; all departments. Some people got it repeatedly. It was scary. It would have been a crisis if it hadn&#8217;t more-or-less burnt itself out. Our medics coudn&#8217;t have dealt with a city of 40,000 people vommiting and shitting. Emergency services were on it and handled it well. And no it was not food related. Our commisary takes good care of us.</p>
<p>Yes, we could use more sanitizer and hand washing stations. That would have helped.</p>
<p>Yes, Burning Man has cut workers pay. I don&#8217;t know if it was two, three, or four years ago, but the clean up crew used to get paid $75 a day for a shitty days work. Now they get $45 a day. That really sucks. Attendance increases every year. Ticket prices have increased. The Borg&#8217;s profits have increased. What gives?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad Caleb is bringing all of this to peoples&#8217; attention. Yeah, maybe he has an ax to grind, but that doesn&#8217;t make what he was saying untrue. He also has a ton of friends that still work for BM that are glad he&#8217;s speaking up, because they/we can&#8217;t. Someone declared the woman in the bag a coward for not showing her face. She can&#8217;t afford to show her face if she wants to work again. Someone also wrote her off as Caleb&#8217;s girlfriend. I know for a fact the she worked DPW last year and lives with two other BM workers. The other guy that someone claimed had nothing to do with DPW worked for BM years ago and injured his back on the job. He claims that Burning Man did absolutely nothing for him. He will never work for Burning Man again, but he was protesting for his friends that work there every year.</p>
<p>It is illegal that BM does not provide workers comp. for volunteers. It is illegal that may of the jobs performed by DPW (and other crews) don&#8217;t come anywhere close to meeting OSHA standards.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not illegal, merely a shame that BM feeds people while they work (some people that are on playa for a month before the event) and then stops feeding them during the event. They have to fend for themselves. When are they supposed to get supplies? And is that any way to show appreciation to someone that has just given you a month of their life?</p>
<p>Sure BM couldn&#8217;t happen w/o volunteers. All the more reason to treat them right.</p>
<p>Tonja, you have no idea. There is no way that a city of 40,00 people could be run all volunteer. I&#8217;m glad your little regional can work that way. We can&#8217;t. Work sober? We do. Don&#8217;t speak of which you know nothing about. The death waiver is inappropriate (and I think illegal) for workers and volunteers.</p>
<p>Thanks, Caleb et. al for speaking up.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl van Rhey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl van Rhey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of years ago, one of the (male) principals of BMORG was involved in a very ugly assault on a woman that was subsequently covered up by the organization (the person who committed the assault is still one of BMORGâ€™s senior executives, and is still in a position of power over female employees). You can read an account of it in Piss Clear here:

http://www.pissclear.org/PDFArchives/PissClear24int_2004.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of years ago, one of the (male) principals of BMORG was involved in a very ugly assault on a woman that was subsequently covered up by the organization (the person who committed the assault is still one of BMORGâ€™s senior executives, and is still in a position of power over female employees). You can read an account of it in Piss Clear here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pissclear.org/PDFArchives/PissClear24int_2004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pissclear.org/PDFArchives/PissClear24int_2004.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought hippies were supposed to criticize how other people run THEIR businesses, not try to run one themselves.

This is what happens when you try to apply all that hippyish idealistic crap to the real world. Things fall apart.

It took 40 years, but welcome to reality.

You mean everyone from the janitor to the CEO can&#039;t make $1 million a year, and the company will stay profitable? This is an OUTRAGE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought hippies were supposed to criticize how other people run THEIR businesses, not try to run one themselves.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you try to apply all that hippyish idealistic crap to the real world. Things fall apart.</p>
<p>It took 40 years, but welcome to reality.</p>
<p>You mean everyone from the janitor to the CEO can&#8217;t make $1 million a year, and the company will stay profitable? This is an OUTRAGE!</p>
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